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OldTimer
And it appears as tho many of the "conservative" economists don't agree with your "everythings hunky dory" assessment..

Some people can find something wrong with everything...

Face a few facts...Exports are up...

Maybe it would do some Americans good to not be able to afford so much Chinese crap...

In Business when you get a weak dollar you expand your export market... that creates jobs... American jobs...

Many liberals on here have spent the last few years whining about American jobs going over seas... Now American business exports are up, creating American jobs..

is that bad?
 
Steve said:
OldTimer
And it appears as tho many of the "conservative" economists don't agree with your "everythings hunky dory" assessment..

Some people can find something wrong with everything...

Face a few facts...Exports are up...

Maybe it would do some Americans good to not be able to afford so much Chinese crap...

In Business when you get a weak dollar you expand your export market... that creates jobs... American jobs...

Many liberals on here have spent the last few years whining about American jobs going over seas... Now American business exports are up, creating American jobs..

is that bad?

Why did US manufacturing jobs then drop by 25,000 :???:
 
Steve said:
OldTimer
And it appears as tho many of the "conservative" economists don't agree with your "everythings hunky dory" assessment..

Some people can find something wrong with everything...

Face a few facts...Exports are up...

Maybe it would do some Americans good to not be able to afford so much Chinese crap...

In Business when you get a weak dollar you expand your export market... that creates jobs... American jobs...

Many liberals on here have spent the last few years whining about American jobs going over seas... Now American business exports are up, creating American jobs..

is that bad?

Exports are up right now because the dollar is low. That makes things cheaper for other people in other countries.

This has nothing to do with industry economics, but everything to do with monetary and fiscal policy.
 
Why did US manufacturing jobs then drop by 25,000

"1 The relationship between trade deficits in manufactured goods and manufacturing employment seems obvious: imports decrease labor demand in manufacturing while exports spur this demand.

Conclusion
Productivity growth has played the most important role in manufacturing job loss in the recent past, but this growth is to be welcomed over the long-run, as productivity provides the ceiling on how quickly living standards can rise. Productivity growth, in short, is not a problem.

What is a problem, however, is slow demand growth for manufactured goods. Demand for manufactured goods can come from domestic use or net exports. In recent years in the United States, these combined sources of demand have been far too weak to generate employment in manufacturing.,...

negative net exports have provided an outright drag on employment growth, while domestic demand has risen (albeit rather sluggishly). Moving the contribution of net exports from negative to positive would greatly spur job growth in U.S. manufacturing.

L. JOSH BIVENS Economist
Areas of expertise
International trade • Macroeconomics


construction is way down... thus needs domestically for manufactured goods are way down,,....

without the strong export market those job loses would be much higher...but as these leading economist predict with positive growth in exports.. Manufacturing job growth will occur!

so if the dollar had maintained it's higher value internationally we would be seeing higher unemployment..

I am not arguing that our economy is red hot like it was a few years back.. but for the last few years liberals have been whining about job loses... with the low dollar comes opportunity... an often missed opportunity to re-establish domestic manufacturing jobs..

right now imported products are "tariff" by the weak dollar..
and exports are "subsidized" by the same weak dollar,
Now that is great "but everything to do with monetary and fiscal policy"..

and we didn't even have to sit through boring trade talks...
 
But we wouldn't have had this massive loss of sale of domestic goods, manufacturing closures, job losses, trade deficit, etc. etc. if some common sense would have been used in the trade talks initially and the global traders wouldn't have been allowed unhindered access to rape the US economy in the first place.....

This is just a way to make a dung heap, that we shouldn't have fallen into, smell more like a rose.....
 
if some common sense would have been used in the trade talks initially

In the United States, NAFTA was able to secure passage after Bill Clinton made its passage a major legislative priority. ,...

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Clinton closed years of political and economic debate Tuesday, and sealed a major achievement of his administration by signing a bill extending permanent, normal trade status to China.

The measure is considered the most important U.S. trade legislation since passage of the North American Free Trade Agreement in 1993. But it faced a long campaign of opposition from labor, human rights and {b]conservative groups[/b] who wanted to retain the annual review of trade relations with China.
http://archives.cnn.com/2000/ALLPOLITICS/stories/10/10/clinton.pntr/



I'm sorry that Clinton signed NAFTA and normalized trade with China... but I didn't vote for him...

at least Now we have an opportunity to recover some of those jobs..
 
Breaking News from MoneyNews.com

OPEC Wants to Dump Dollar Reserves

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Sunday that OPEC's members have expressed interest in converting their cash reserves into a currency other than the depreciating U.S. dollar, which he called a "worthless piece of paper."

His comments at the end of a rare summit of OPEC heads of state exposed fissures within the 12-member cartel—especially after U.S. ally Saudi Arabia was reluctant to mention concerns about the falling dollar in the summit's final declaration.

The hardline Iranian leader's comments also highlighted the growing challenge that Saudi Arabia, the world's largest oil producer, faces from Iran and its ally Venezuela within the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries.

"They get our oil and give us a worthless piece of paper," Ahmadinejad told reporters after the close of the summit in the Saudi capital of Riyadh. He blamed U.S. President George W. Bush's policies for the decline of the dollar and its negative effect on other countries.

"All participating leaders showed an interest in changing their hard currency reserves to a credible hard currency," Ahmadinejad said. "Some said producing countries should designate a single hard currency aside from the U.S. dollar ... to form the basis of our oil trade."
Oil is priced in U.S. dollars on the world market, and the currency's depreciation has concerned oil producers because it has contributed to rising crude prices and has eroded the value of their dollar reserves.

Saudi Arabia's King Abdullah had tried to direct the focus of the summit toward the question of the effect of the oil industry on the environment, but he continuously faced challenges from Ahmadinejad and Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez.

Iran and Venezuela have proposed trading oil in a basket of currencies to replace the historic link to the dollar, but they had not been able to generate support from enough fellow OPEC members—many of whom, including Saudi Arabia, are staunch U.S. allies.

Both Iran and Venezuela have antagonistic relationships with the U.S., suggesting their proposals may have a political motivation as well. While Tehran has been in a standoff with Washington over its nuclear program, left-wing Chavez is a bitter antagonist of Bush.

During Chavez's opening address to the summit on Saturday, the Venezuelan leader said OPEC should "assert itself as an active political agent." But Abdullah appeared to distance himself from Chavez's comments, saying OPEC always acted moderately and wisely.

A day earlier, Saudi Arabia opposed a move by Iran on Friday to have OPEC include concerns over the falling dollar included in the summit's closing statement after the weekend meeting. Saudi Arabia's foreign minister even warned that even talking publicly about the currency's decline could further hurt its value.

But by Sunday, it appeared that Saudi Arabia had compromised. Though the final declaration delivered Sunday did not specifically mention concern over the weak dollar, the organization directed its finance ministers to study the issue.

OPEC will "study ways and means of enhancing financial cooperation among OPEC ... including proposals by some of the heads of state and governments in their statements to the summit," OPEC Secretary General Abdalla Salem el-Badri said, reading the statement.

Iran's oil minister went a step further and said OPEC will form a committee to study the dollar's affect on oil prices and investigate the possibility of a currency basket.

"We have agreed to set up a committee consisting of oil and finance ministers from OPEC countries to study the impact of the dollar on oil prices," Gholam Hussein Nozari told Dow Jones Newswires.

Iraqi Oil Minister Hussein al-Shahristani said the committee would "submit to OPEC its recommendation on a basket of currencies that OPEC members will deal with." He did not give a timeline for the recommendation.

The meeting in Riyadh, with heads of states and delegates from 12 of the world's biggest oil-producing nations, was the third full OPEC summit since the organization was created in 1960.

The run-up to the meeting was dominated by speculation over whether OPEC would raise production following recent oil price increases that have approached $100. But cartel officials have resisted pressure to increase oil production and said they will hold off any decision until the group meets next month in Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates.

They have also cast doubt on the effect any output hike would have on oil prices, saying the recent rise has been driven by the falling dollar and financial speculation by investment funds rather than any supply shortage.

During his final remarks, el-Badri stressed he was committed to supply—but did not mention changing oil outputs.

"We affirm our commitment ... to continue providing adequate, timely, efficient, economic and reliable petroleum supplies to the world market," he said.
 
Ben Bernanke wrote a paper on seignorage. In it, he state that the amount of money the U.S. gets from printing money equals the inflation rate.

Inflation (when fiat money is used) is caused by the govt. printing more money than goods that are available. It is basically another hidden tax. If the inflation rate goes up, you will be in essence, taxed more. This will be a tax increase (something republicans are saying only the democrats are doing).

When more money is printed than the goods are out there, then prices go up.

The big thing Bernanke left out of the equation was oil.

If oil is not denominated in dollars, and instead is denominated in other currencies as well, we just may see real inflation rate that has been hidden by the house of cards Bush and his cronies in Congress have made. In fact, Iran and even Iraq wanted to sell their oil not denominated in dollars (some say this is the reason for the war).

You can hide truth a little while, but eventually it catches up with you.

I just hope we can throw all the bums out that have facilitated these policies. Republicans have often cited that we have had no problems because of overspending and borrowing the money. This will all come to a head.


http://www.ccc.nps.navy.mil/si/nov03/middleEast.asp
 
Looks like Saudi Arabia is even so nervous about the shakey dollar, that they are afraid even the mere talking about it may be enough to cause it to collapse...

Reacting to the request, Saudi Foreign Minister Prince Saud al-Faisal Saudi Arabia's foreign minister warned that mentioning the falling dollar could lead to the "collapse" of the US currency.

"There are media people outside waiting to catch this point and they will add to it (exaggerate) and we may find that the dollar collapses," he said.

Member states should express concern over "the continued depreciation of the US dollar" in the final declaration, Mottaki said.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20071116/wl_mideast_afp/oilopecsummitiransaudidollar_071116195012
 
Stock market is taking quite a hit on these two reports...Even Bloomberg tv analysts are starting to admit the shakiness of the US dollar-- and are talking about putting your funds into foreign investments that are more stable....
So much for the soundness of the US economy- and the US dollar!!!
Thank You GW for bankrupting America :( :mad:

Citigroup Downgraded to `Sell' at Goldman Sachs

By Adam Haigh and Matthew Leising

Nov. 19 (Bloomberg) -- Citigroup Inc., the largest U.S. bank by assets, was lowered to ``sell'' by a Goldman Sachs Group Inc. analyst who predicted that the lender's writedowns of collateralized debt obligations will total $15 billion over the next two quarters.

```Given the dislocations in the credit markets, we have become more pessimistic,'' New York-based analyst William F. Tanona wrote to investors today, downgrading New York-based Citigroup from ``neutral.'' ``Citigroup will likely face an increasingly challenging operating environment which is likely to pressure results in many of their businesses.''

Tanona said rising mortgage delinquencies may cut into earnings. He also reduced his price targets for Merrill Lynch & Co., Morgan Stanley, Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc., Bear Stearns Cos., JPMorgan Chase & Co. and E*Trade Financial Corp. Tanona lowered his earnings estimates for Merrill on Sept. 26, projecting writedowns announced a month later spurring the ouster of Chief Executive Officer Stan O'Neal.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a6814IMk7imI&refer=home#

Lowe's Hit By Housing Slump

MoneyNews
Monday, Nov. 19, 2007


CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- Lowe's Cos., the No. 2 U.S. home improvement chain, said Monday that its third-quarter profit fell 10.2 percent, citing a weak sales environment amid a continuing slump in the housing sector.

The company also slashed its outlook for the fourth quarter and the full year, sending its shares down 4 percent in premarket trading.

It's been a tough quarter for home-improvement retailers. Home Depot Inc., Lowe's bigger rival, reported a 27 percent drop in third-quarter earnings last week and cut its full-year outlook, citing the persistent housing slump.
http://moneynews.newsmax.com/money/archives/articles/2007/11/19/085309.cfm?s=mnc
 
Oldtimer said:
Looks like Saudi Arabia is even so nervous about the shakey dollar, that they are afraid even the mere talking about it may be enough to cause it to collapse...

Reacting to the request, Saudi Foreign Minister Prince Saud al-Faisal Saudi Arabia's foreign minister warned that mentioning the falling dollar could lead to the "collapse" of the US currency.

"There are media people outside waiting to catch this point and they will add to it (exaggerate) and we may find that the dollar collapses," he said.

Member states should express concern over "the continued depreciation of the US dollar" in the final declaration, Mottaki said.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20071116/wl_mideast_afp/oilopecsummitiransaudidollar_071116195012

The deal made with Saudi Arabia and other big oil producers was that the U.S. would protect them if they would denominate in dollars. It has given the U.S. a whole lot of room to get value out of fiat money from the rest of the world.

With Bush's go it alone policy on war in the mid east, the oil producers are really starting to balk at this policy. What if they are next in the war policy or the "War on Terror"?

We are on the course for a real wreck because of our incompetent and corrupt politicians.
 

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