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Has Coulter Gay Slur Hurt Or Helped Her?
by The Associated Press

Posted: March 11, 2007 - 4:00 pm ET

(New York City) Ann Coulter has been a reliable name for years among people who plan television news shows - an attractive, articulate blonde conservative who's made a living lobbing verbal bombs.

Following her use of a gay slur about Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards this month during remarks to the Conservative Political Action Conference, some on TV are wondering whether her shelf life is expiring.

Many were angered by her use of the "f-word". Coulter later said she considered it a "schoolyard taunt." She said it was a joke about "Grey's Anatomy" actor Isaiah Washington saying he would seek counseling after using the word to refer to a fellow actor.

At least four daily newspapers have dropped Coulter as a columnist, citing her comment about Edwards.

Head-turning remarks are hardly anything new for the author of "Godless: The Church of Liberalism" and "How to Talk to a Liberal (If You Must)." In "Godless" last year, she wrote of World Trade Center widows: "I've never seen people enjoying their husbands' deaths so much."

"It's a world of `are you talking about me? are you talking about me?'" said Steve Friedman, executive producer of "The Early Show" on CBS. "And eventually you have to get more and more outrageous to be talked about. One day you cross the line and become persona non grata. I think she's getting close. I think Bill Maher is getting close."

Friedman has no plans to book Coulter on his show, but said he had no plans even before her Edwards comment.

Some people on NBC's "Today" show didn't want to see Coulter before she was booked to talk about "Godless" last summer, said Jim Bell, the show's executive producer.

He overruled them. Having only certain points of view would make for a bland program, he said. Since Coulter is a best-selling author, clearly there's an audience that responds to her. Coulter also appeared on a "Today" segment this February 8, debating a University of Pennsylvania professor.

Bell said last week that Coulter's legitimate points of view are beginning to get lost in the noise of being outlandish.

"She sometimes goes out of her way to push some buttons and tends to generate more heat than light," he said. "We love a lively debate, but we would tend to get people who would generate more light."

Said Tom Rosenstiel, director of the Project for Excellence in Journalism: "You do wonder whether she's destined for `Dancing With the Stars' at some point."

Several conservatives criticized Coulter for her Edwards remarks. Fellow columnist Michelle Malkin lamented that Coulter had tarred the work of people at the Washington conference. She called Coulter's humor "tired old shtick." Tim Graham, director of media analysis at the Media Research Center, said some conservatives envy the attention she gets and dislike how she distracts from legitimate arguments.

"If you got the sense that she was saying things you thought she believed, it would help," he said.

Still, Graham said it would be "outrageous" if Coulter is blacklisted by networks but Maher isn't. The HBO comic angered some by recent remarks suggesting more people would live if an assassination attempt against Vice President Dick Cheney had been successful.

The liberal organization Media Matters for America, which has long campaigned against Coulter, hopes this is a "defining moment" that causes TV networks to turn their backs on her, said spokesman Karl Frisch.

MSNBC once fired Coulter as a regular contributor after a remark she made to a Vietnam veteran. But Coulter has appeared there as a guest on shows and the network has no policy against her.

The remarks "won't stop conservatives from buying her books and her ability to sell books is what drives her bookings on TV," said MSNBC's "Hardball" host Chris Matthews.

CNN had scheduled Coulter to appear with Paula Zahn last Monday. The network said Coulter canceled her appearance.

"We have and will continue to interview provocative guests and ask them tough questions," CNN spokeswoman Christa Robinson said. "We don't have overall bans about anyone. We will book them when we think it is appropriate to do so, on a case by case basis."

The changing nature of cable news may limit Coulter's ability to speak to those who don't already agree with her. Cable talk shows used to be built upon fiery debate, while now there are more shows that take a point of view and depict world events through that prism. Think Lou Dobbs, Keith Olbermann and Glenn Beck.

A spokeswoman for Coulter did not return a call for comment. Coulter, however, did appear on Fox News Channel's "Hannity & Colmes" three days after the Edwards remark and belittled the idea that it would do lasting damage to her. It's a cycle, she said: she says something, the same people become hysterical, and that's the end of it.

It's about her 17th allegedly career-ending moment, she said.

"It happens about every six months," Coulter said, "and you're always there to put me on TV, Sean."
 
Who determines what constitutes a slur? It seems to me that many of these whiny special-interest groups just look for things to be offended by. If everybody started referring to queers and fags as gay, it wouldn't be long until they were offended by that. If they don't like being called fags, they have nobody to blame but themselves.
 
jigs said:
would "ass-pirate" be more appropriate??
I bet that was really what Ann was thinking.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I don't consider "lezzies" or "lizzies" to be a slur.

I have a lot in common with them.
 
jigs and mike, I tend to agree with you. "ass pirate" probably won't go with the pc crowd though....

suppose we'd better stick with Homosexual American or Lesbian American since every other protected class has to have a special name.
 
The question is:

ARE GAYS SLURS APPROPRIATE DO GOOD PEOPLE USE THEM?

AMERICA ONLINE THESAURUS CALLS GAYS "FAGGOTS"
Advocates Demand Merriam-Webster and AOL Be Held Accountable

Washington, DC - America Online's (AOL) thesaurus service offers shockingly homophobic synonyms for the word "homosexual" - including faggot, dyke, pederast and sodomite - the GAYBC Radio Network (http://www.gaybc.com; AOL KEYWORD: gaybc) reported today on it's Daily Dose news webcast.

Merriam-Webster, which provides the thesaurus to AOL, offers the same bigoted synonyms on its online thesaurus <http://www.m-w.com>, according to Wired Strategies, an online advocacy firm in Washington, DC.

"We are shocked and disturbed to learn that terms like pederast and fruit are among those offered by a respectable resource guide like Merriam-Webster's thesaurus," said John McMullen, president of GLOradio Corporation (GAYBC Radio's parent company). "One of our listeners made us aware of the inclusion of these terms and we felt that it was appropriate to give the matter national attention."

In addition to the blatantly offensive nature of the terms, some raised even greater concerns. "AOL is the world's largest Internet provider, and Webster's its primary source on the English language," said John Aravosis, president of Wired Strategies. "When a tag-team like that broadcasts to the world that gays are fags and possibly child molesters, the dehumanizing impact is overwhelming."
 
Mike said:
jigs said:
would "ass-pirate" be more appropriate??
I bet that was really what Ann was thinking.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I don't consider "lezzies" or "lizzies" to be a slur.

I have a lot in common with them.


:lol: :lol:
 
The way I see it, if Sodomy is the cornerstone of your lifestyle, a slur is the least you should expect.
 
Maybe Ann should go into rehab....it's how liberals deal with their failure to be PC*



*which I find totally pathetic.,..both the PC crap,.. and this going into Rahab crap.


But, I do feel that the gays have a point,..calling Edwards a fagot, does give gay people a bad rap.......they are rightly outraged on this one.
 
A conservative says "faggot" and the left and half the right pees themself. The left talks trash all the time and noone hardly ever notices...go figure. Its all dependent (appropriate word) on which side of the aisle the insult is being hurled.
 
Certain slur words are allowed and certain ones are not. For example. If some high profile non black figure used the n word (kramer from seinfield comes to mind) the news won't even say the word to describe what he said. They say "N word". If I even typed the word on this forum it would probably be deleted or edited (no offense to the admin here). But we can type other slur words associated with other folks. Its the nature of Political correctness in this country. I'm a minority and occasionally hear slur words pertaining to my nationality. I choose to ignore them. They are just words. Asking for an apology has become part of the political game because we have allowed it.

Walt
 
We really need the rain but it is coming in way too fast. Low water crossings are shut down all over. On top of that I work for the phone company. I hate working forced overtime. Seriously!

Walt
 
Steve said:
Maybe Ann should go into rehab....it's how liberals deal with their failure to be PC*



*which I find totally pathetic.,..both the PC crap,.. and this going into Rahab crap.


But, I do feel that the gays have a point,..calling Edwards a fagot, does give gay people a bad rap.......they are rightly outraged on this one.

Hey don't knock that rehab stuff it worked really well for your boys rush and ted.
 
Texan said:
Who determines what constitutes a slur? It seems to me that many of these whiny special-interest groups just look for things to be offended by. If everybody started referring to queers and fags as gay, it wouldn't be long until they were offended by that. If they don't like being called fags, they have nobody to blame but themselves.

So the horrid N word for African Americans should be blamed on who?? I mean last I knew it wasn't a choice to be black.......it was genetics.
 
CattleArmy said:
Texan said:
Who determines what constitutes a slur? It seems to me that many of these whiny special-interest groups just look for things to be offended by. If everybody started referring to queers and fags as gay, it wouldn't be long until they were offended by that. If they don't like being called fags, they have nobody to blame but themselves.

So the horrid N word for African Americans should be blamed on who?? I mean last I knew it wasn't a choice to be black.......it was genetics.

I beg to differ. I know some white niggers as well as black ones.
 

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