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Why Herefords Lost Market Share!!!

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Read this 'breeders' comments on the Pure Gold bull. I admire him for his honesty but shudder at his philosophy on breeding cattle. The bull reinforces every bad stereoyype that Herefords have but you can win shows with his calves-sheesh!!!
 
Even my dear old dad always hired a foot trimmer to come in before his annual Hereford bull sale to shine things up a bit. Eventually we got a trimming table so we could do the delightful task ourselves. :roll: Fortunately when the bull sales ended, the trimming table got traded off to some folks that raised club calves. The local sale barns do a great job of eliminating bovine feet problems.
 
so what would be some of the reasons you guys think across the board, comparing good straight hereford feeder steer calves to good straight black feeder steer calves, that straight herefords get dinged still. does it all come down to more markets avenues for blacks?

I've questioned a lot of feeders about it. most of them say that a higher percentage of the good straight blacks will quality grade better - but most of them also say that the straight herefords will beat them out for less. I think it still all comes down to market avenues... but one response i got from a feeder was this: he said that back before we got the grading system that we have today every farmer/feeder that feed and sold fat cattle (and at that time they were all hereford) would feed until they ran out of grain. that was when they marketed them and most of the time they were way over done. he said all those were y4's and thats the way it was for a long time. he said that is the reason for the mentality and they haven't lost it. I don't know but i thought it was interesting. anyhow, I don't think there would be a reason for a y4 no matter what the breed these days through feedlot management.
 
Hereford76 said:
so what would be some of the reasons you guys think across the board, comparing good straight hereford feeder steer calves to good straight black feeder steer calves, that straight herefords get dinged still. does it all come down to more markets avenues for blacks?

I've questioned a lot of feeders about it. most of them say that a higher percentage of the good straight blacks will quality grade better - but most of them also say that the straight herefords will beat them out for less. I think it still all comes down to market avenues... but one response i got from a feeder was this: he said that back before we got the grading system that we have today every farmer/feeder that feed and sold fat cattle (and at that time they were all hereford) would feed until they ran out of grain. that was when they marketed them and most of the time they were way over done. he said all those were y4's and thats the way it was for a long time. he said that is the reason for the mentality and they haven't lost it. I don't know but i thought it was interesting. anyhow, I don't think there would be a reason for a y4 no matter what the breed these days through feedlot management.

To me it's simple......MARKETING! Angus has done a bang up job of getting thier product out in front! Folks who couldn't tell an Angus from an ardvark hear "Certified Angus Beef" everywhere. Burger joints brag on it out here! Supermarkets put up banners! They have made the brand mean something to folks that have no clue about agriculture. My 2 cents! :wink:
 
Can't say from personal experience as I've never fed a pen of straight Herefords against others, although a couple different feeders I inspect at have told me they're leary of them unless they're the right type. They say too many straight Herefords took far too long to finish, kept growing and growing before they filled out, much like high percentage continentals. That was their complaint - pure economics in cost per head.

Although I'd be the first to point out that the right type of any animal - shorter stature, more girth and guts that frame and flash, will always finish quicker, regardless of breed or lineage. I brand inspected some yearling heifers at the University of Alberta Research Ranch in Kinsella this morning. They've sold their open heifers to a feeder, and most were big leggy purebred Charolais heifers. Real raw-boned type, more leg than body, terrible looking critters. The story behind them was that they came from one research farm to this one, and have had a very hard time adjusting - obviously.

The manager there said when they fatten their own calves, it doesn't matter what mix they are, the same phenotype always rises to the top. Their herd has had many different breeds mixed in over the years with various breeding projects conducted through the University. Everything from Hereford, Angus, Galloway, to Charolais, Simmental and Dairy Fleckvieh. The one things that's stayed a constant has been the management of their grass, always using rotational grazing and stockpiled forages. The mother herd now looks very similar in type, just a wide range of colors. Just another little test plot that proves it's not about breeds, it's about the right type.
 
Baldies are the cat's meow but straight herefords will make you money if your buying gras cattle-they are discount calves but lots of times sell at even money or better thanstraight blacks off grass. The only reason we have straightbred cows at our place is we need them to raise F1 heifers.
 
Udders like this in the past didn't help the cause.

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three years ago i started running all my calves over and selling off grass in late july/early august. i don't think i ever really got dinged on feeder calves, only when i take the odd ones to auction yard - but i know it is alot easier to get par on yrl herefords. i've always said you have to do your homework if your selling straight herf feeders. there are guys that like to feed them you just have to find them. one of the guys that had been buying my steer calves before went ot yrls asked me straight up the first year before he bought them "are they polled or L1"... the next step i'd like to take is to try owning them all the way. i've been selling more and more every year by cut, 1/4, half, or whole and I've wanted to partner on a meat shop somewhere there is some population. My neighbor bought a single axle freezer truck he is going to convert into a spray truck... they freezer cargo works great and this winter I am going to try and rig something up to start making a route kind of like the schwanns man. anytime i go to town i see these people carrying out burger or steaks that i know are lousy compared to home raised/hand fed stuff. gonna try anyhow
 
To build a bit on NR's comments...
Herefords make great grass cattle because you can buy them at a discount and sell at a premium. The challenge with straight Hereford cattle in today's grading system is that they don't yield like a continental and don't grade like an Angus (Take a look at the MARC data as a good example). They make a good cross though if you can find someone who wants to own a bunch of HE cows.
There is some good work on tenderness in HE cattle, but unfortunately no one pays for that on a commercial scale.
HE are like most breeds. There are a few guys who just stay home and breed cattle and have good ones, and then there are the others...
When the others start driving the train it becomes the Wreck of the Old 97, and the guys that stayed home and sold good commercial bulls will become the forgotten saviour of the breed.
Stick to the basics - Functional, PROBLEM FREE, middle of the road cattle seem to work for us. I think in some ways we are starting to see that being forgotten in some of the AN cattle being peddled up here.
 
Hereford76 said:
so what would be some of the reasons you guys think across the board, comparing good straight hereford feeder steer calves to good straight black feeder steer calves, that straight herefords get dinged still. does it all come down to more markets avenues for blacks?

I've questioned a lot of feeders about it. most of them say that a higher percentage of the good straight blacks will quality grade better - but most of them also say that the straight herefords will beat them out for less. I think it still all comes down to market avenues... but one response i got from a feeder was this: he said that back before we got the grading system that we have today every farmer/feeder that feed and sold fat cattle (and at that time they were all hereford) would feed until they ran out of grain. that was when they marketed them and most of the time they were way over done. he said all those were y4's and thats the way it was for a long time. he said that is the reason for the mentality and they haven't lost it. I don't know but i thought it was interesting. anyhow, I don't think there would be a reason for a y4 no matter what the breed these days through feedlot management.

Okay....here I go and slit my wrist.....
I love my herefords now in saying that..... The hereford association needs to work on better epds..... I don't want to hear about hereford guys breeding there hiefiers to red angus.........
IMHO......... I think I can feed an angus calf faster for gain than a hereford...........
Now you can not beat an f1....... No way No how.......
Good uttered herefords are wonderful... I love their attitudes...
 
What next a cave drawing of a bad uddered Hereford quit living in the past lol. A GOOD Hereford cow is an excellent base to build F1 heifers and feeder steers from-just like a GOOD Angus is. Crappy individuals of both breeds need not apply-good stockman could build a good cowherd with any breed-the rsst of us poke aimlessly about and try not to go bust.
 
We do not live in Hereford country. A well known cattle buyer once told my husband that there are three things he can't stand, mosquitoes, thistles, and Herefords. :shock: What people find here is that they just don't gain. Could be that the Herefords left around here are just not the right type. There are Herefords, and then there are Herefords, so when the buyers get their orders, the guys they are buying for find it easiest to just tell them not to buy Herefords at all.

I've seen some really good ones at the sale, but they suffer from the bias, and don't sell as well as they should. That's a shame.
 
What are your opinions on the polled herefords? The only herefords I see around here are a herd of the polled variety. They seem to suffer quite a bit of cancer eye and the only complaint I would have about the udders is that they are almost non-existent :shock: Are the polleds generally considered a poor relative of the horned?

Herefords are really rare in the UK nowadays - it was the fat issue that killed them there. Tough to sell fat at all in Europe but doubly so the yellow fat the hereford produced on the mainly grass fattening regimes. Since moving here I've learnt of the benefits of grass-fed beef and that the yellow fat will contain all the health benefits pertaining to grass-fed beef.
 
I think Herefords will still be around what goes around comes around.
The battle is with the Simmental cattle doing their best to cut in to the black white face market. One of the web sites showed a clip of the last roundup a Hereford operation that had been in business since 1891. Find and watch that video and look at those cattle any breeder of any breed would love to have cattle like that.
I hate to see change but things are changing so fast here I am affraid to see what is happening tomorrow. Those of you that live and work on ranches enjoy it while you can and try to get someone to take over the reins soon. This world is changing so fast its unbeliveable.
I have been in Agriculture Education most of my life (before typing on computers lol ). My entire life I went to work with my cowboy boots on as a part of my Wyoming heritage. I would park my pickup at school sometimes it had a feed bucket or fence strechers.. My students began to laugh at me for those things. More than one time my boss would mention about my attire. I bought new wranglers kept my hair cut and even did my best to drive an late model pickup. That sigma attached to me just did not fit any more... times have changed. Button up shirts are not the attire anymore. Same is ture with Hereford Cattle. People are just wanting change. They do not care what change just change. When I went to my last Ag teacher meetings and more Ag teachers were wearing shorts and penny loafers than jeans a boots.
I finally figured I was the one living in the past.
 
Hay Feeder said:
I think Herefords will still be around what goes around comes around.
The battle is with the Simmental cattle doing their best to cut in to the black white face market. One of the web sites showed a clip of the last roundup a Hereford operation that had been in business since 1891. Find and watch that video and look at those cattle any breeder of any breed would love to have cattle like that.
I hate to see change but things are changing so fast here I am affraid to see what is happening tomorrow. Those of you that live and work on ranches enjoy it while you can and try to get someone to take over the reins soon. This world is changing so fast its unbeliveable.
I have been in Agriculture Education most of my life (before typing on computers lol ). My entire life I went to work with my cowboy boots on as a part of my Wyoming heritage. I would park my pickup at school sometimes it had a feed bucket or fence strechers.. My students began to laugh at me for those things. More than one time my boss would mention about my attire. I bought new wranglers kept my hair cut and even did my best to drive an late model pickup. That sigma attached to me just did not fit any more... times have changed. Button up shirts are not the attire anymore. Same is ture with Hereford Cattle. People are just wanting change. They do not care what change just change. When I went to my last Ag teacher meetings and more Ag teachers were wearing shorts and penny loafers than jeans a boots.
I finally figured I was the one living in the past.

Stick to your guns, as well as your boots, jeans, pickup, and fence stretchers. Change merely for the sake of change isn't worth a darn. If there is a real reason for change, go for it, otherwise leave it alone. A person sure doesn't need shorts and penny loafers to be in agriculture; in fact to wear this stuff while actually ranching would be foolish and dangerous. Dinglebobs hanging from lips, tongues, and eyebrows isn't a good idea either, no matter how "fashionable" and designating of "change" this fashion statement might be. Common sense and a bit of class still go a long way.
 
Hay Feeder said:
I think Herefords will still be around what goes around comes around.
The battle is with the Simmental cattle doing their best to cut in to the black white face market. One of the web sites showed a clip of the last roundup a Hereford operation that had been in business since 1891. Find and watch that video and look at those cattle any breeder of any breed would love to have cattle like that.
I hate to see change but things are changing so fast here I am affraid to see what is happening tomorrow. Those of you that live and work on ranches enjoy it while you can and try to get someone to take over the reins soon. This world is changing so fast its unbeliveable.
I have been in Agriculture Education most of my life (before typing on computers lol ). My entire life I went to work with my cowboy boots on as a part of my Wyoming heritage. I would park my pickup at school sometimes it had a feed bucket or fence strechers.. My students began to laugh at me for those things. More than one time my boss would mention about my attire. I bought new wranglers kept my hair cut and even did my best to drive an late model pickup. That sigma attached to me just did not fit any more... times have changed. Button up shirts are not the attire anymore. Same is ture with Hereford Cattle. People are just wanting change. They do not care what change just change. When I went to my last Ag teacher meetings and more Ag teachers were wearing shorts and penny loafers than jeans a boots.
I finally figured I was the one living in the past.

I was born in blue wranglers and that's how i'll go out! Fashion be danged! :wink: Hereford cattle will always be in style for anyone that wants a good F1 cross regardless of the negatives some folks say they have.
 

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