''Slick'' Montana steer's

[mwj]

I saw some of them sell on RFD and was shocked as I thought Montana was a brand state. These steers were 725lbs. and were not branded :shock: Would these cattle have to be branded before they were loaded? They were from Hawmut Montana I think that is the spelling but I have no idea where it is in relation to the state borders.

 

[Anonymous]

I saw some of them sell on RFD and was shocked as I thought Montana was a brand state. These steers were 725lbs. and were not branded :shock: Would these cattle have to be branded before they were loaded? They were from Hawmut Montana I think that is the spelling but I have no idea where it is in relation to the state borders.

Could you be talking Shawmut? There is no law that you have to brand- as we have not become a socialist state --Yet...The new owner could brand before shipping if he wished- but would not be required to...Many cattle altho already branded are rebranded with the new owners brand while still in the stockyards before being shipped...I have seen some loads go out of here the last few years with the buyer furnishing both his own branded beef program tags and vaccine which are administered prior to loading....

Several of the buyers/reps have told me that with either branded or unbranded cattle- they are tagged with the ID system the feedlot uses when they are unloaded.....

 

[mwj]

So if you are not required to brand, why do you say that Montana is a ''brand'' state? If that is the case I guess I could claim Ill. is a brand state since it is legal to do so.

 

[ranch hand]

So if you are not required to brand, why do you say that Montana is a ''brand'' state? If that is the case I guess I could claim Ill. is a brand state since it is legal to do so.

You could MWJ....if you have to have a brand inspection before leaving the county as Montana does.

 

[Anonymous]

So if you are not required to brand, why do you say that Montana is a ''brand'' state? If that is the case I guess I could claim Ill. is a brand state since it is legal to do so.

Probably because even if they are not branded they have to be inspected to be moved across county lines or whenever ownership is changed....Very few in the state do not brand- last year less than 1% of the cattle I looked at were unbranded....

 

[ocm]

So if you are not required to brand, why do you say that Montana is a ''brand'' state? If that is the case I guess I could claim Ill. is a brand state since it is legal to do so.

Probably because even if they are not branded they have to be inspected to be moved across county lines or whenever ownership is changed....Very few in the state do not brand- last year less than 1% of the cattle I looked at were unbranded....

In most brand states the issue is the brand inspection and the resultant filling out of the "brand papers." The brand papers constitute the title transfer of the cattle and as such are a legal document and usable in tracking ownership transfers. In most brand states movement of cattle from one county to another also requires a "brand inspection" which can include noting which cattle have no brands, and also results in a legal document filed with the state recording the movement.

In New Mexico a "slick" belongs to the state. Not so in other brand states.

 

[Big Muddy rancher]

So if you are not required to brand, why do you say that Montana is a ''brand'' state? If that is the case I guess I could claim Ill. is a brand state since it is legal to do so.

Probably because even if they are not branded they have to be inspected to be moved across county lines or whenever ownership is changed....Very few in the state do not brand- last year less than 1% of the cattle I looked at were unbranded....

In most brand states the issue is the brand inspection and the resultant filling out of the "brand papers." The brand papers constitute the title transfer of the cattle and as such are a legal document and usable in tracking ownership transfers. In most brand states movement of cattle from one county to another also requires a "brand inspection" which can include noting which cattle have no brands, and also results in a legal document filed with the state recording the movement.

In New Mexico a "slick" belongs to the state. Not so in other brand states.

So how does title change hands in South Dakota?

 

[Anonymous]

So if you are not required to brand, why do you say that Montana is a ''brand'' state? If that is the case I guess I could claim Ill. is a brand state since it is legal to do so.

Probably because even if they are not branded they have to be inspected to be moved across county lines or whenever ownership is changed....Very few in the state do not brand- last year less than 1% of the cattle I looked at were unbranded....

In most brand states the issue is the brand inspection and the resultant filling out of the "brand papers." The brand papers constitute the title transfer of the cattle and as such are a legal document and usable in tracking ownership transfers. In most brand states movement of cattle from one county to another also requires a "brand inspection" which can include noting which cattle have no brands, and also results in a legal document filed with the state recording the movement.

In New Mexico a "slick" belongs to the state. Not so in other brand states.

Any "slicks" found in the grazing associations, community pastures or that can't be mothered to an owners cow become property of the state here too...

 

[lazy ace]

Probably because even if they are not branded they have to be inspected to be moved across county lines or whenever ownership is changed....Very few in the state do not brand- last year less than 1% of the cattle I looked at were unbranded....

In most brand states the issue is the brand inspection and the resultant filling out of the "brand papers." The brand papers constitute the title transfer of the cattle and as such are a legal document and usable in tracking ownership transfers. In most brand states movement of cattle from one county to another also requires a "brand inspection" which can include noting which cattle have no brands, and also results in a legal document filed with the state recording the movement.

In New Mexico a "slick" belongs to the state. Not so in other brand states.

So how does title change hands in South Dakota?

It usually happens around midnight, with a quiet horse, portable panels and some whiskey. :wink:

have a cold one

lazy ace

 

[Brad S]

Good one aces - If I were gonna rustle, I'd use dogs.

I saw those steers on Superrior also - the ones sold by Montana Dept of Corrections - and they looked premium. What struck me was the requirement they had to leave Montana as if to "not compete with the Montana taxpayer." I hope there a better reason or stupidity is running amuck.

 

[mrj]

While I don't have this word for word, SD does it similar to MT.....on the west side of the MO river.

With the exception that cattle that can't be identified end up in the coffers of either the State Brand Board, which is sort of under the umbrella of the SD Dept of Ag, but is financially independent, I believe, with costs paid out the brand inspection fee system.

The actual brand inspection system is operated at a profit by the SD Stockgrowers, with little or no restriction of how they use the money. The Brand Board contracts out the inspection to SDSGA. The BB is responsible for investigations of theft, I belive.

Not sure what happens east of the MO river. They can have registered brands, and I've been told they also may use any brand or mark not registered to someone else in the state. I don't recall how inspctions are handled east river. Maybe local law investigates lost cattle. Not sure of it.

MRJ