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Ivermectin and bulls.

Faster horses said:
I've heard that, but I don't think it has much merit.
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I have a yearling bull that goes through bouts of diarrhea. He has had SafeGuard, and it is possible it has more to do with the grass kicking in.
But was thinking if I were to treat him again I might use the Ivermectin.
 
I don't know but suspect it could because it works to interfere with the channels that effect nerve cells. Since ejaculation depends on nerves, it might but I don't think it would be permanent, however I don't know with any degree of certainty.

If his problem is dietary, then supplementing a dry feed might help. If it is parasitic then the Ivermectin should help. If it is viral, then it might or might not help.

It sounds dietary, so maybe address that first.
 
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Puzzled said:
I have a yearling bull that goes through bouts of diarrhea. He has had SafeGuard, and it is possible it has more to do with the grass kicking in.
But was thinking if I were to treat him again I might use the Ivermectin.
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Ivomectrin isn't the best for deworming. Cattle are becoming immune to it. SafeGuard is best; gets more
types of parasites over a longer period of time. We offer SafeGuard in our mineral so it can work over a longer period of time.

I have been fortunate to have personally worked with Dr. Bliss:
"In the past two to three years, it has become evident that the modern anthelmintics upon which the American cattle industry relies have begun to show diminished efficacy," said Dr. Don Bliss, parasitologist at the MidAmerica Agricultural Research Center, Madison, Wis., who has monitored thousands of fecal samples from cattle throughout the United States over the past 20 years. Bliss said he sees examples of anthelmintic resistance on a daily basis.

This was from 2005, so kind of old news. Dr. Bliss was very brave in sounding the alarm several years ago,
when most didn't agree with him. But his findings have proven to be right.

 
Puzzled said:
I have read that Ivermectin can/might affect bull fertility. Is this a concern ?
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I think this comes from the false rumor that human males taking Ivermectin would go sterile. This baseless info came out to discourage people from taking it to ease the effects of Covid. It has been proven false. I can't find anything that indicates it would be a problem in male bovines.
 
Faster horses said:
Ivomectrin isn't the best for deworming. Cattle are becoming immune to it. SafeGuard is best; gets more
types of parasites over a longer period of time. We offer SafeGuard in our mineral so it can work over a longer period of time.

I have been fortunate to have personally worked with Dr. Bliss:
"In the past two to three years, it has become evident that the modern anthelmintics upon which the American cattle industry relies have begun to show diminished efficacy," said Dr. Don Bliss, parasitologist at the MidAmerica Agricultural Research Center, Madison, Wis., who has monitored thousands of fecal samples from cattle throughout the United States over the past 20 years. Bliss said he sees examples of anthelmintic resistance on a daily basis.

This was from 2005, so kind of old news. Dr. Bliss was very brave in sounding the alarm several years ago,
when most didn't agree with him. But his findings have proven to be right.

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Thanks. he went through a treatment for coccidiosis when I first got him about 6 months ago, so I wouldn't think he would have a repeat of that. I will keep stuffing as much hay into him as possible :) It always looks so much worse for a light colored animal to get diarrhea. I think he will shed off to be sort of a silver grey Murray Grey so it is very noticeable.

I should have him back over to my place pretty soon and can put him in the chute and curry all the ickkys off his bottom.
 
Used it for years even the injectable with the Flukicide. I always rotated and I never seen any problem. We Tric and seamen tested bull every year. Then there those on the internet that say ivermectin heals cancer, keeps them from getting sick or over sickness. I usually just say well you don't have a parasite problem.
 
Puzzled said:
Thanks. he went through a treatment for coccidiosis when I first got him about 6 months ago, so I wouldn't think he would have a repeat of that. I will keep stuffing as much hay into him as possible :) It always looks so much worse for a light colored animal to get diarrhea. I think he will shed off to be sort of a silver grey Murray Grey so it is very noticeable.

I should have him back over to my place pretty soon and can put him in the chute and curry all the ickkys off his bottom.
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There is coccidiosis and there is acidosis. They are different. Acidosis is caused from too much protein or
two rich of feed. Putting dry grass hay in front of him should help. No alfalfa or grain hay though.

You really intend to curry off his rear?
Wow.
 
Faster horses said:
There is coccidiosis and there is acidosis. They are different. Acidosis is caused from too much protein or
two rich of feed. Putting dry grass hay in front of him should help. No alfalfa or grain hay though.

You really intend to curry off his rear?
Wow.
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Thank you for clarifying acidosis. The first time around I am fairly sure it was coccidiosis, Corid put a stop to it, and when I wean calves at my place they usually seemed to get a touch of it. Suspect my pasture here may be a source. This time around I am more inclined to think feed. So no more grass pellets mixed with pea pellets.
Yes, on currying off his bottom. :ROFLMAO: I can't stand poopy butts. And he actually seemed to appreciate getting rid of all the crusty stuff on his rump and tail.
 
jodywy said:
Used it for years even the injectable with the Flukicide. I always rotated and I never seen any problem. We Tric and seamen tested bull every year. Then there those on the internet that say ivermectin heals cancer, keeps them from getting sick or over sickness. I usually just say well you don't have a parasite problem.
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The wife took ivermectin when she had Covid. I don't know that it cured her. But she didn't get worse once she started in on it. And she did recover a couple of days later. Me, I was well exposed to Typhoid Mary and just got a stuffed up nose for about 3 days.
 
Puzzled said:
Thank you for clarifying acidosis. The first time around I am fairly sure it was coccidiosis, Corid put a stop to it, and when I wean calves at my place they usually seemed to get a touch of it. Suspect my pasture here may be a source. This time around I am more inclined to think feed. So no more grass pellets mixed with pea pellets.
Yes, on currying off his bottom. :ROFLMAO: I can't stand poopy butts. And he actually seemed to appreciate getting rid of all the crusty stuff on his rump and tail.
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One difference is Coccidiosis has blood in the manure. If you put your toe in it and move it around you should
see some signs of blood. Also, if you move the critter quickly, they might stagger. Coccidiosis can kill
animals.
No blood--that's acidosis. Not to say if the cause isn't corrected, it could turn into coccidiosis.
Coccidia is the parasite, coccidiosis is the disease.

My area sales manager and I went to an outdoor bull exhibit. He had me look at the messy butts. 😟
There were a lot of them, which, to put it simply, means the feed was too hot and they couldn't digest it. They had to get rid of it some way. I never realized that before and I've paid attention since. He was a great leader and teacher. I worked with him for 27 years.
 
Faster horses said:
One difference is Coccidiosis has blood in the manure. If you put your toe in it and move it around you should
see some signs of blood. Also, if you move the critter quickly, they might stagger. Coccidiosis can kill
animals.
No blood--that's acidosis. Not to say if the cause isn't corrected, it could turn into coccidiosis.
Coccidia is the parasite, coccidiosis is the disease.

My area sales manager and I went to an outdoor bull exhibit. He had me look at the messy butts. 😟
There were a lot of them, which, to put it simply, means the feed was too hot and they couldn't digest it. They had to get rid of it some way. I never realized that before and I've paid attention since. He was a great leader and teacher. I worked with him for 27 years.
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I did not notice blood, but he got scary sick fast.
 
BVD is destructive. The vaccine is supposed to cover the BVD, I believe. But I realize no vaccine is 100%.
Right now I'm hoping its a combination of green grass and grain. He is only getting 2lbs. grain, same as all the
other bovines, just because the hay is just average stuff and they burn a lot of calories in the storms.
50/50 mix of grass pellets and pea pellets.
So no more grain and see if that helps.
 
webfoot said:
The wife took ivermectin when she had Covid. I don't know that it cured her. But she didn't get worse once she started in on it. And she did recover a couple of days later. Me, I was well exposed to Typhoid Mary and just got a stuffed up nose for about 3 days.
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I have heard people say they definitely felt the Ivermectin made a difference for them when they had Covid.
I was exposed to a lot of Covid at my place of employment. It didn't catch up with me till 6 months after I retired and
ten months after I was vaccinated. Regretted getting vaccinated after certain info came to light. Hopefully I was one of
the lucky individuals that got the placebo.
 
Puzzled said:
BVD is destructive. The vaccine is supposed to cover the BVD, I believe. But I realize no vaccine is 100%.
Right now I'm hoping its a combination of green grass and grain. He is only getting 2lbs. grain, same as all the
other bovines, just because the hay is just average stuff and they burn a lot of calories in the storms.
50/50 mix of grass pellets and pea pellets.
So no more grain and see if that helps.
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I doubt that 2# of grain could be causing it. Green grass could, for sure. I still suggest going ahead and stopping the grain and see if that helps. Let us know.
 

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