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Re: Range cubes

Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2017 4:40 pm
by Faster horses
TexasBred wrote:
Faster horses wrote:FH:
"alfalfa hay is the finest feed source in the state of Montana--and--Hell--it ain't even named right! It ain't hay--it's protein supplement."

I do believe that's what I said.

Actually for most beef operations it contains too much crude protein unless limit fed and should be fed as a mix with grass hay. No need wasting all that good protein by allowing it to end up on the ground without being utilized. The cow needs that roughage part of it as much if not more than she needs the high protein.


You are quite right and that's what has been said. Great as a protein supplement but not full feed.

Re: Range cubes

Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2017 9:37 pm
by Big Swede
I had this debate with Soapweed years ago, I asked why all the Sandhills ranchers fed cake when you could buy three tons the alfalfa for the price of a ton of cake. If I remember correctly he said something about convenience and tradition. I agree totally with Faster horses but then again I sell a fair amount of alfalfa.

Re: Range cubes

Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 12:09 pm
by Faster horses
What may be the six most dangerous words in the English language: "we've always done it that way." :D :D :wink:

Re: Range cubes

Posted: Fri Dec 01, 2017 11:48 pm
by eatbeef
Rightwinger82 i see you are looking at Mcness Cubes. Have you ever considered Mcness Ruffage Mate? Its a 52% protein mineral with 14% of the protein from urea and you can get by with feeding around .5#/hd/day, thin cows maybe a littel more, we have never fed more than .75# though even on old cows or first calves. We use to cake 4# of the same 28% DDG cube every other day and now have went to RuffageMate and the cows have done just as good or better and are way more content. We have fed it now for 3 years and had great results. What made me a beilever was the first winter i fed half the cows cake and the other half RuffageMate. The cows we caked would still come running even on the days we didnt cake and couldnt hardly break ice without the cows mauling you. The cows on RuffageMate were content as can be. We had a 4 to 5" snow and i had a bale of alfalfa on the pickup the cows on RuffageMate just looked at the cake pickup and put their heads back down, the cows we caked every other day had to be fed the bale so we could get out the gate. And the nice thing about RuffageMate is that you regulate it with salt and can manage the consumption vs tubs were you have no control. We put RuffageMate out every 4 to 7 days and it is costing around $.25/day and takes care of your protein and mineral in one bag.

Re: Range cubes

Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 2:39 pm
by redrobin
Has anyone fed a pound of raw beans as a supplement? 50% protein and 20% fat seems like it'd be qlright

Re: Range cubes

Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:30 pm
by TexasBred
redrobin wrote:Has anyone fed a pound of raw beans as a supplement? 50% protein and 20% fat seems like it'd be qlright

Have heard of beans being fed up to 4 lbs. per head per day. That will give you one pound of pure vegetable fat in the diet.Tremendous energy.

Re: Range cubes

Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 6:54 pm
by George
My vet said that cattle cannot properly digest raw beans - - - they need to be roasted to work - - - then he recommends them

Re: Range cubes

Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 7:15 pm
by Denny
fed soybean straw one time cows could s*** thru a screen door.

Re: Range cubes

Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 7:29 pm
by Big Muddy rancher
I have used Canola meal and salt and soybean meal and salt mixed and fed free choice.

Worked pretty good for the cows out grazing the hills in the winter.

Re: Range cubes

Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 7:41 pm
by rightwinger82
I am now considering a grain mix of half cracked corn half whole cotton seed. That would be around 15 protien and 15 fat. No out of wack minerals or trace elements for around the same price as cake, and no need to change mineral programs. If all a person was short was protien alfalfa would be fine. Especially if you feed twice the amount needed, cause they ain't gonna eat them stems. I am looking to push fat to keep consumption of hay up.

Re: Range cubes

Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:07 pm
by redrobin
George wrote:My vet said that cattle cannot properly digest raw beans - - - they need to be roasted to work - - - then he recommends them

Research it George. Your vet is wrong. I know most people think their vet is like the pope and infallible but alas ....

Re: Range cubes

Posted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 8:12 pm
by Faster horses
It has been our experience, most veterinarians don't know a lot about nutrition, sad to say.