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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

fff wrote:
None of your responses address the fact that Bush announced the escalation as a short term move to allow the Iraqi government to get their act together. We've spent billions of $$, US soldiers have died and has the Iraqi government got its act together? No. As they say, "The operation was successful, but the patient died".

So spin and spin. Continue to live in your fantasy world along with Bush, but most people know the reasons put forth for the escalation and that it's another failure of George W. Bush's administration.


You're right Frankie. It would of been much better if we had followed Obama's lead and quit. That way, all of our enemies would of been emboldened, we would put ourselves out as paper tigers, all those lives lost would of been in vain, and we would of positioned ourselves to fight a much bigger fight 10-15 years down the road.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steve wrote:
Oldtimer wrote:
SR wrote:
OT said " I explained her the other day as McGigolo's latest female pick-- and the answer came back "Oh- so whats new" "

You kinda the county organizer up there OT? Keep everbody informed, well thats probably better for them then you being the county enforcer . One day your for Ron Paul, next your for Obama. Your posts are filled with cheap shots, lies , and innuendo attacking anyone who is asscoiated with McCain , his family , Palin, her family, or Bush . Many of your sources are trash and you know it.
McCain ain't perfect by a long shot. I'll concede that. But McCain/Palin Vs Obama/Biden. You gotta be kiddin..........

But then again, what do I know............. I am just one of those" Radical Evangelicals."

SR


Not really decided who I'm for.... I have to see who made it on our ticket...I know Barr did-know Obama did- not sure about Baldwin or McEnulty...Paul could be wrote in...

I Do know who I'm against- and that is the biggest philandering, womanizing, hypocritical, Lobbyist connected, corrupt and crooked neocon politician that the Republicans could probably have chosen- John McSame-that has been part of the D.C. problem for 30 years...

He is the Poster Boy of everything I despise about D.C....


Bob Barr has been around DC since 72.. Paul since 76.. Biden been there since the capital doors opened..

While I believe they want whats better for this country.. they have also been part of the problem..



Steve I agree- but they don't have the long history of philandering, womanizing, being hypocritical, Lobbyist connected, and corrupt..All you have to do is look at McSames flipflops- and then go back and follow the money to see what made him change and what he uses to decide policy...Something Bush/Rove were so capable of pointing out in 2000...
And since McSame is following almost step in step with the policies of Bush- having voted with him 90% of the time which gives me no faith he would return us to the rule of law and following the Constitution- two things Bush totally threw out the window....

From their past history I know both Paul and Barr would do this- as Barr is accepted as one of the countries leading experts on the Constitution- and even tho he many times doesn't support the issue, will even take the side of the ACLU when he knows they are right constitutionally...McEnulty the American Independent Party candidate (and Reform party V.P. candidate Rolling Eyes ) is probably the most moderate and libertarian in his way of thinking...
All are also strong states rights supporters- something the current neocon Republican party has completely forgot...

From some of the blogs I've been reading it sounds like quite a few of the evangelicals are voting for Baldwin (a minister) on the Constitution Party...

I agree with Lou Dobbs- that many of these independent and third party candidates would get many more votes if the Dems/Repubs in each state hadn't stacked the decks against them and made it so hard for them to get on the ballot...


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OT: are you sure they haven't already suspended the constitution??? Hopefully Kucinich's bill will gain widespread support.

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=10065

Though few Americans realize it, Cheney and Rumsfeld worked through the 1980s and 1990s on emergency nuclear-response plans which allegedly suspended the American constitution and also Congress.[1] (Through these decades Rumsfeld was CEO of a major pharmaceutical firm, and in the later 1990s Cheney was CEO of Halliburton; but their private status did not deter them from continuing to exercise a supra-constitutional planning power conferred on them by Ronald Reagan.)



Even fewer Americans know that these rules, originally dealing with a nuclear attack on America, were extended by Reagan Executive Order 12656 to cover “any occurrence, including natural disaster, military attack, technological emergency, or other emergency, that seriously degrades or seriously threatens the national security of the United States.”[2] And few Americans realize that at least some of these rules, known technically as Continuity of Government or COG rules, were invoked before 10:00 AM on September 11, 2001.[3]



As he did in 2007, President Bush has again, on August 28, 2008, continued for another year the national emergency first officially proclaimed on September 14, 2001, along with “the powers and authorities adopted to deal with that emergency:”



Notice: Continuation of the National Emergency with Respect to Certain Terrorist Attacks



Consistent with section 202(d) of the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C. 1622(d)), I am continuing for 1 year the national emergency I declared on September 14, 2001, in Proclamation 7463, with respect to the terrorist attacks at the World Trade Center, New York, New York, the Pentagon, and aboard United Airlines flight 93, and the continuing and immediate threat of further attacks on the United States.



Because the terrorist threat continues, the national emergency declared on September 14, 2001, and the powers and authorities adopted to deal with that emergency, must continue in effect beyond September 14, 2008. Therefore, I am continuing in effect for an additional year the national emergency I declared on September 14, 2001, with respect to the terrorist threat.



This notice shall be published in the Federal Register and transmitted to the Congress.



GEORGE W. BUSH

THE WHITE HOUSE,

August 28, 2008.[4]

...........snip........

Oliver North, who worked on COG planning with Rumsfeld and Cheney in the 1980s, was asked in the Iran-Contra Hearings about his work on an emergency plan “that would suspend the American constitution.” Democratic Senator Inouye, who was presiding, pounded his gavel and interjected that this was a “highly sensitive and classified matter,” not to be dealt with in an open hearing.[7] Congress has never discussed COG plans publicly since that time.



According to Wikipedia, “The National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C. 1601-1651) is a United States federal law passed in 1976 to stop open-ended states of national emergency and formalize Congressional checks and balances on Presidential emergency powers. The act sets a limit of two years on states of national emergency. It also imposes certain "procedural formalities" on the President when invoking such powers, and provides a means for Congress to countermand a Presidential declaration of emergency and associated use of emergency powers (emphasis added).



Bush’s denial of the Homeland Security’s right to review the COG plans in the classified Appendices of NSPD-51 should have been seen as a constitutional crisis -- a line in the sand for Congress to assert its constitutional rights and duties. Now, one year later, I understand (although I cannot corroborate it from the Internet) that Congressman Kucinich has introduced or will introduce a bill for Congress, under the terms of the National Emergencies Act, to countermand the presidentially proclaimed national emergency. This is an important move, but it should not obviate the need for Congress to review rules which allegedly restrict its own powers under the constitution.



Between now and November the American electorate have an opportunity to present this demand to everyone running for office: that they will insist on vigorous congressional action to expose and dispose of these secret COG rules -- rules that allegedly suspend the American constitution.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MoGal that is one of the biggest concerns of many of the conservatives and right wingers-- that Bush will do something to provoke or justify us attacking Iran- like he lied/falsified info to get us into and justify attacking Iraq- and then after taking us into war- declare a National Emergency exists and cancel/postpone the elections- and in doing so seize continuing power just like Putin did...

All I can say is that they were right when 3-4 years ago they predicted what Putin would do....


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 11:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oldtimer wrote:
MoGal that is one of the biggest concerns of many of the conservatives and right wingers-- that Bush will do something to provoke or justify us attacking Iran- like he lied/falsified info to get us into and justify attacking Iraq- and then after taking us into war- declare a National Emergency exists and cancel/postpone the elections- and in doing so seize continuing power just like Putin did...

All I can say is that they were right when 3-4 years ago they predicted what Putin would do....



Shocked Shocked Shocked WOW, postpone the elections??The only way Iran will get attacked is if obama gets elected. It will not be by the U.S. it will be by Isreal. If Obama gets in, Iran will start Uranium enrichment, Obama will go to the u.n. and try sanctions, try to gather support from europe, on and on and on.... flashback Jimmy Carter. anyway They will continue there enrichment and Isreal will go into the whole Arab nation start tearing sh!t up. and before Isreal is beaten they will turn the whole works into a sheet of GLASS!!!!
But that will not happen cuz McCain and Palin are gonna Save this great nation, and lead us back to a bipartisan, get things done, no more good ol boy network god fearing Nation!!! Exclamation


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