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Mike
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Joined: 10 Feb 2005
Posts: 10119
Location: Montgomery, Al
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| Sandhusker wrote: |
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| I'd like to know why contaminated product leaves the building. |
Because, contaminated animals are allowed to enter the building! |
So are animals with hair, mud, manure.... |
When was the first E-Coli problem found ? We have been slaughtering cattle in large packing plants for over 150 years. |
EPA.GOV
E. coli O157:H7 was first recognized as a cause of illness during an outbreak in 1982 traced to contaminated hamburgers. Since then, most infections are believed to have come from eating undercooked ground beef.
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Ben Roberts
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Joined: 14 Nov 2006
Posts: 638
Location: Pomeroy, Washington
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Mike wrote: |
| Ben Roberts wrote: |
| Sandhusker wrote: |
| Ben Roberts wrote: |
| Sandhusker wrote: |
| I'd like to know why contaminated product leaves the building. |
Because, contaminated animals are allowed to enter the building! |
So are animals with hair, mud, manure.... |
When was the first E-Coli problem found ? We have been slaughtering cattle in large packing plants for over 150 years. |
EPA.GOV
E. coli O157:H7 was first recognized as a cause of illness during an outbreak in 1982 traced to contaminated hamburgers. Since then, most infections are believed to have come from eating undercooked ground beef. |
Thank you Mike, now what have we changed in the way we feed and process those cattle, in the years up until 1982 that would have caused an outbreak. I don't believe that everyone cooked their ground beef longer, prior to 1982, I didn't and still don't.
We don't need a vaccine for E-coli 0157:H7! We need to stop propagating E-coli!
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Oldtimer
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Joined: 10 Feb 2005
Posts: 15890
Location: Northeast Montana
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 4:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Ben Roberts wrote: |
| Mike wrote: |
| Ben Roberts wrote: |
| Sandhusker wrote: |
| Ben Roberts wrote: |
| Sandhusker wrote: |
| I'd like to know why contaminated product leaves the building. |
Because, contaminated animals are allowed to enter the building! |
So are animals with hair, mud, manure.... |
When was the first E-Coli problem found ? We have been slaughtering cattle in large packing plants for over 150 years. |
EPA.GOV
E. coli O157:H7 was first recognized as a cause of illness during an outbreak in 1982 traced to contaminated hamburgers. Since then, most infections are believed to have come from eating undercooked ground beef. |
Thank you Mike, now what have we changed in the way we feed and process those cattle, in the years up until 1982 that would have caused an outbreak. I don't believe that everyone cooked their ground beef longer, prior to 1982, I didn't and still don't.
We don't need a vaccine for E-coli 0157:H7! We need to stop propagating E-coli! |
Ben- You don't sound like a proponent of Bigger, Better, Faster  
My Dad and Sister used to eat more raw hamburger than they did cooked- but those were beeves we butchered out in the backyard ourselves- and hung and cut at the local locker plant...
But I can remember reaching down and throwing a manure hunk out of the milk bucket when it fell in- and straining the rest of the big hunks with a dishcloth- and drinking the warm skim milk as it came out of the seperator...I'd never even heard of e-coli ....
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Sandhusker
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Joined: 10 Feb 2005
Posts: 11879
Location: Nebraska
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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Ben, "Thank you Mike, now what have we changed in the way we feed and process those cattle, in the years up until 1982 that would have caused an outbreak. I don't believe that everyone cooked their ground beef longer, prior to 1982, I didn't and still don't. We don't need a vaccine for E-coli 0157:H7! We need to stop propagating E-coli!"
I can see where you're coming from.... I'm not as old as you, but did we really change feeding then?
Also, if you've got certain plants or certain classes of plants with e-coli problems and others with no problems, you've got a clue that you can't ignore.
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Ben Roberts
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Joined: 14 Nov 2006
Posts: 638
Location: Pomeroy, Washington
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 9:06 am Post subject: |
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Ben, "Thank you Mike, now what have we changed in the way we feed and process those cattle, in the years up until 1982 that would have caused an outbreak. I don't believe that everyone cooked their ground beef longer, prior to 1982, I didn't and still don't. We don't need a vaccine for E-coli 0157:H7! We need to stop propagating E-coli!"
I can see where you're coming from.... I'm not as old as you, but did we really change feeding then?
Also, if you've got certain plants or certain classes of plants with e-coli problems and others with no problems, you've got a clue that you can't ignore. |
We have changed the way we feed cattle, we have gone from farmer feedlots to factory feedlots.
Monsanto's Roundup ready GMO's, do you know how they were developed?
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RobertMac
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Joined: 10 Feb 2005
Posts: 2527
Location: Mississippi, USA
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 11:47 am Post subject: |
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| Ben, are you saying 0157:H7 is a result of sub-therapeutically antibiotics?
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Ben Roberts
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Posts: 638
Location: Pomeroy, Washington
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 1:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Ben, are you saying 0157:H7 is a result of sub-therapeutically antibiotics? |
Sub-therapeutically antibiotics and factory feedlots go hand & hand. Then with the use of GMO grains, I believe cattle fed under those conditions, would be very difficult to produce beef that we could market as a wholesome, healthy, nutritious product. Producers don't want it, consumers don't it, so why do they still do it. Could it be $$$$$$$$$$$$$
RobertMac, you and I live miles apart, but we still have the same consumers. Last year I sold 122 head of cattle in the meat, this year i'll sell more. Natural beef, no antibiotics no GMO grain, and you can eat the ground beef raw with-out fear.
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RobertMac
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Posts: 2527
Location: Mississippi, USA
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 8:17 am Post subject: |
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| RobertMac, you and I live miles apart, but we still have the same consumers. Last year I sold 122 head of cattle in the meat, this year i'll sell more. Natural beef, no antibiotics no GMO grain, and you can eat the ground beef raw with-out fear. |
Exactly...what my customers want is safe beef. What has convinced me is that since I got my herd established on a 100% forage diet, I have had zero vet cost, zero supplement cost and better efficiency and production with a higher net return. I can't see how there could be a better win-win situation.
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Ben Roberts
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Joined: 14 Nov 2006
Posts: 638
Location: Pomeroy, Washington
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 8:34 am Post subject: Fed beef |
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RobertMac, my cattle are not grass fed, they are fed on grass, with only grain that we raise on our farm.
We are going to see more and more E. coli outbreaks in the future! From feedlots that feed GMO grains. THANK YOU MONSANTO
Where are our cattlemen's organizations ? They, are in Washington D.C.
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