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Ben H
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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2008 4:10 am    Post subject: Floating Brace Reply with quote

Last weekend I read about a floating brace. I've built a lot of H-Braces and tried a few Angle Stay Braces. Sunday I built two of the floating braces. I'm talking with the NRCS about allowing me to use these on a project I'm working on. The hardest thing I deal with on my ground is getting the brace post exactly where I want it. These floating braces can solve that problem.

I'm planning on a 5 strand HT perimeter.

Has anyone had any problems with them? The NRCS's initial reaction is that they should work for 4 or less strands. I'm reading they're fine for 5-6, I've sent them a few rescources.

The other thing I thought about is that the horizontal brace in an H Brace pushes into the top of the brace post. Therefore your week point is that post. With a floating brace pushes into the ground, it seems like it should in fact be stronger.

I'm interested in hearing any pros and cons with either system from your experience.


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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2008 5:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I read your title and immediately thought that your orthodontist had screwed up and not gotten those shiny wires tight enough to straighten your teeth . . . .

J/K!


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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2008 7:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What's a floating brace? I've only built h-braces before. Are they easier to construct? Would you post a picture?


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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2008 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, my bad, I assumed I was te only one who hadn't heard of these.

Just got approval from NRCS to do 5 strands.
Here's how you do it
http://www.powerflexfence.com/Article1.20.html


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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2008 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

why does a person need nrcs approval on how he wants to build HIS fence??


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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2008 12:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ben H wrote:
Sorry, my bad, I assumed I was te only one who hadn't heard of these.


Thanks for the information... I'm probably the only one who hadn't heard of these, or at least what they were called. I've built them before (minus the concrete), by default when I couldn't get a second hole dug in all the lovely rock I have Laughing, but didn't know they had a name!

Are they more commonly used in electric fence building?


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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2008 1:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lonecowboy wrote:
why does a person need nrcs approval on how he wants to build HIS fence??


If you are receiving cost share from NRCS you must build it to their specs and rules.


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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2008 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks like a pretty neat idea, Ben. I can see it being particularly useful where making post holes or driving posts is a problem. I had never seen or heard of it before.


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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2008 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have done this, but a little different for anchoring the end of the brace.

Same concept, but at the end of the brace, I dug a hole for it to go into, then placed a piece of treated 2x6 for the brace to butt against.

The thing I like more about the way I did it is your brace can't move on you.

I would assume the brace can move on the floating brace, but probabaly not much??


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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2008 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sic 'em reds, I've done the one you're talking about, Gallagher shows it in their manual. It works ok, I like this floating brace better. With that brace wire tightened up it's pretty damn strong, you can't budge it up verticly, can kind of kick it a little side to side on the concrecte if you try, but that allos some flexibility.

NRCS is cost sharing, I get a higher percent for being a starting farmer (starting on my own anyway), therefore it has to be built to their specs which I don't think are unreasonable.


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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2008 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sic 'em reds wrote:


Same concept, but at the end of the brace, I dug a hole for it to go into, then placed a piece of treated 2x6 for the brace to butt against.



I believe this is called a deadman brace.


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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2008 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe a deadman and bedlog are the same thing. They don't have a brace post, just the cross brace at the base of the post.


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