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Ben H Member

Joined: 20 Mar 2006 Posts: 567 Location: Gorham, ME
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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 4:10 am Post subject: Floating Brace |
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Last weekend I read about a floating brace. I've built a lot of H-Braces and tried a few Angle Stay Braces. Sunday I built two of the floating braces. I'm talking with the NRCS about allowing me to use these on a project I'm working on. The hardest thing I deal with on my ground is getting the brace post exactly where I want it. These floating braces can solve that problem.
I'm planning on a 5 strand HT perimeter.
Has anyone had any problems with them? The NRCS's initial reaction is that they should work for 4 or less strands. I'm reading they're fine for 5-6, I've sent them a few rescources.
The other thing I thought about is that the horizontal brace in an H Brace pushes into the top of the brace post. Therefore your week point is that post. With a floating brace pushes into the ground, it seems like it should in fact be stronger.
I'm interested in hearing any pros and cons with either system from your experience.
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burnt Member

Joined: 28 Feb 2008 Posts: 306
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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 5:06 am Post subject: |
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I read your title and immediately thought that your orthodontist had screwed up and not gotten those shiny wires tight enough to straighten your teeth . . . .
J/K!
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WyomingRancher Member

Joined: 07 Jan 2007 Posts: 373 Location: Wyoming
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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 7:58 am Post subject: |
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| What's a floating brace? I've only built h-braces before. Are they easier to construct? Would you post a picture?
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Ben H Member

Joined: 20 Mar 2006 Posts: 567 Location: Gorham, ME
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Lonecowboy Member

Joined: 10 Feb 2006 Posts: 59 Location: eastern Montana
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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 11:41 am Post subject: |
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| why does a person need nrcs approval on how he wants to build HIS fence??
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WyomingRancher Member

Joined: 07 Jan 2007 Posts: 373 Location: Wyoming
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4Diamond Member

Joined: 16 May 2008 Posts: 29 Location: Missouri
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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 1:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Lonecowboy wrote: |
| why does a person need nrcs approval on how he wants to build HIS fence?? |
If you are receiving cost share from NRCS you must build it to their specs and rules.
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burnt Member

Joined: 28 Feb 2008 Posts: 306
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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Looks like a pretty neat idea, Ben. I can see it being particularly useful where making post holes or driving posts is a problem. I had never seen or heard of it before.
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sic 'em reds Member

Joined: 22 Aug 2006 Posts: 433 Location: Central Washington
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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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I have done this, but a little different for anchoring the end of the brace.
Same concept, but at the end of the brace, I dug a hole for it to go into, then placed a piece of treated 2x6 for the brace to butt against.
The thing I like more about the way I did it is your brace can't move on you.
I would assume the brace can move on the floating brace, but probabaly not much??
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Ben H Member

Joined: 20 Mar 2006 Posts: 567 Location: Gorham, ME
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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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sic 'em reds, I've done the one you're talking about, Gallagher shows it in their manual. It works ok, I like this floating brace better. With that brace wire tightened up it's pretty damn strong, you can't budge it up verticly, can kind of kick it a little side to side on the concrecte if you try, but that allos some flexibility.
NRCS is cost sharing, I get a higher percent for being a starting farmer (starting on my own anyway), therefore it has to be built to their specs which I don't think are unreasonable.
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4Diamond Member

Joined: 16 May 2008 Posts: 29 Location: Missouri
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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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| sic 'em reds wrote: |
Same concept, but at the end of the brace, I dug a hole for it to go into, then placed a piece of treated 2x6 for the brace to butt against.
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I believe this is called a deadman brace.
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Ben H Member

Joined: 20 Mar 2006 Posts: 567 Location: Gorham, ME
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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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| I believe a deadman and bedlog are the same thing. They don't have a brace post, just the cross brace at the base of the post.
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