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publichunter
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| p joe careful now she is going to call you Tony Dean......
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Happy go lucky
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LB I'm not a CO but I also have common sense in these matters and have a lot of insight in wildlife. If you advertise ways to promote poaching more will take place!!!!! How hard is that to understand?
Hunting is big business in many states and some will take advantage LB that is common sense, to state otherwise is naive or dumb, as we would all just cause more problems in the situation you would like to see enacted. Again common sense. You might be a law abiding landowner, doesn't mean all are that way and surely you would have more take advantage of first obtaining permission and if none granted it is free reign on that ground! Common sense tells you with the money that "could" be gained and a lock out in it's own right of law enforcement in dealing with specialized circumstances you would invite more illegal activity.
This is a legit concern of any wildlife division in any state more so in those states of much larger land tracts. You complain of landowner abuse but your cases are all second hand, how many have been factually proven out? How many are more MT Lion stories of 100+ lions in a day killed in Washington state? Creditability is slim LB sorry the facts are against you. I deal in facts and common sense many sportsman have it and many landowners as well, on both sides the bad apples get all the street talk and media coverage and it would be bad for both sides in your state or anyone's if what you proclaim as fair took place. COMMON SENSE LB Good Day!
I'm all for landowners rights and I'm also for the protection of public domain which all wildlife is public domain. Why you have a problem with this is beyond me must date back to great grand pa or something.
Here is a question, say you wrote up a law stating they ask first to check license, and if you say No then they have the right to check anyway hows that in your eye's? Unless they had intel that convinced a judge to allow un asked permission would that satisfy you? Yes or NO?
I already know the answer but I want you to comment on it. Good day LB "Don't worry be happy". Your game warden will be a sweet heart until the day he has to cite a good friend or relative over a stupid deer,antelope,turkey or some other critter correct?
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Liberty Belle
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Location: northwestern South Dakota
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| Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Happy go lucky wrote: |
LB I'm not a CO but I also have common sense in these matters and have a lot of insight in wildlife. If you advertise ways to promote poaching more will take place!!!!! How hard is that to understand?
Hunting is big business in many states and some will take advantage LB that is common sense, to state otherwise is naive or dumb, as we would all just cause more problems in the situation you would like to see enacted. Again common sense. You might be a law abiding landowner, doesn't mean all are that way and surely you would have more take advantage of first obtaining permission and if none granted it is free reign on that ground! Common sense tells you with the money that "could" be gained and a lock out in it's own right of law enforcement in dealing with specialized circumstances you would invite more illegal activity.
This is a legit concern of any wildlife division in any state more so in those states of much larger land tracts. You complain of landowner abuse but your cases are all second hand, how many have been factually proven out? How many are more MT Lion stories of 100+ lions in a day killed in Washington state? Creditability is slim LB sorry the facts are against you. I deal in facts and common sense many sportsman have it and many landowners as well, on both sides the bad apples get all the street talk and media coverage and it would be bad for both sides in your state or anyone's if what you proclaim as fair took place. COMMON SENSE LB Good Day!
I'm all for landowners rights and I'm also for the protection of public domain which all wildlife is public domain. Why you have a problem with this is beyond me must date back to great grand pa or something.
Here is a question, say you wrote up a law stating they ask first to check license, and if you say No then they have the right to check anyway hows that in your eye's? Unless they had intel that convinced a judge to allow un asked permission would that satisfy you? Yes or NO?
I already know the answer but I want you to comment on it. Good day LB "Don't worry be happy". Your game warden will be a sweet heart until the day he has to cite a good friend or relative over a stupid deer,antelope,turkey or some other critter correct? |
Happy, did you go off your medication again? You’re rambling and not making a lick of sense. 
Go lay down and if you don’t get over that lost-in-space feeling soon, call a doctor.
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Liberty Belle
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Location: northwestern South Dakota
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 7:54 am Post subject: |
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We’ve never caught one on our place, although several of our neighbors have. I’ve also never caught anyone else trespassing, stealing, rustling, or shooting livestock on our place, but all four have happened. Do you think that we should overlook these things just because we haven’t caught the perpetrators?
Now I want to let you know that the new game warden we have here is an absolute sweetheart who would never dream of trespassing or trampling on landowners rights. Unfortunately, this nice kid is in the minority and none of the GF&P employees that caused these problems in the past have been fired. Some have been transferred to other areas, but most are still in the communities where the problems occurred. This tells us a lot about how concerned GF&P is with getting along with landowners. |
I never said it doesn't happen elsewheres, but are you not making a mountain out of a mole hill.
If you have never had a problem with GF&P personally, I've never had the amount of trouble you claim, ahem....  your neighbors to have had, then don't you think it might be a personell problem more than a GF&P departmental problem??
Your reply really does make me laugh though, you seem to beat up on SDHunter, public hunter about reading and citing cases that support their point-of-view, yet you whole BEEF is HEAR SAY from what YOUR NEIGHBORS have complained about!!   
Funny isn't it??? Now before you go on a rant, let me shorten it up for you.
I don't care if you stay locked out, add new people to you lockout, or stay locked out thru the next 10 generations!!  I didn't type any of this to change you mind. You have shown you bias against GF&P, for whatever reason, and this whole lockout thing is some stupid way to vent your anger. You say you'll allow hunting again once the laws get changed. I can see that is just a farse. You'll never give in until you get GF&P shutdown, reorganized, or something similar. And it is truely sad to watch some one waste so much time because they are filled with resentment and anger! |
Just because I haven’t personally caught a game warden trespassing on our land doesn’t mean that I and most of the landowners I know haven’t had a myriad of problems with GF&F. I don’t have time to list all of them for you again. Suffice it to say that this is not a fight between little ol’ me and a game warden, this issue is much broader than just a local fuss over one trespass.
This statement of yours pretty well sums up our position: “You'll never give in until you get GF&P shutdown, reorganized, or something similar.” I’m glad you’ve been able to understand where we’re coming from.
Contrary to your last sentence, we are neither resentful nor angry. We ARE determined to stand our ground to protect our property and we’re doing a darn good job of that, if I say so myself!
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P Joe
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 10:34 am Post subject: |
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This statement of yours pretty well sums up our position: “You'll never give in until you get GF&P shutdown, reorganized, or something similar.” I’m glad you’ve been able to understand where we’re coming from. |
This sounds like a school room full of scolded children who will stop at nothing to pull a prank on the teacher to get even.
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Contrary to your last sentence, we are neither resentful nor angry. We ARE determined to stand our ground to protect our property and we’re doing a darn good job of that, if I say so myself! |
No you don't, according to you, GF&P could still do what ever they damn well please and their isn't much you could legal do about it. So really what have you changed??
NOTHING. The only thing you have going for you is GF&P wants to get a-long. If and when that changes, you will be back in the same ole boat from 7 years ago!!
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Happy go lucky
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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| LB why not answer the points I brought up and put it on public record?
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Liberty Belle
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| Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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This statement of yours pretty well sums up our position: “You'll never give in until you get GF&P shutdown, reorganized, or something similar.” I’m glad you’ve been able to understand where we’re coming from. |
This sounds like a school room full of scolded children who will stop at nothing to pull a prank on the teacher to get even. |
Huh? That was your quote, not mine.
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| Liberty Belle wrote: |
Contrary to your last sentence, we are neither resentful nor angry. We ARE determined to stand our ground to protect our property and we’re doing a darn good job of that, if I say so myself! |
No you don't, according to you, GF&P could still do what ever they damn well please and their isn't much you could legal do about it. So really what have you changed??
NOTHING. The only thing you have going for you is GF&P wants to get a-long. If and when that changes, you will be back in the same ole boat from 7 years ago!! |
No I don’t what? Try to be coherent, will you?
The most important thing we’ve done is stopping GF&P from trespassing on our private land. Another important thing we have gotten changed is that GF&P can’t do anything to landowners that won’t get immediate media attention, thanks to several legislators, property rights groups, and agriculture organizations. The media spotlight is focused on them and that bright light can be just a tad disconcerting.
GF&P is trying to at least make it look like they are trying to get along with us because they have to. It’s not out of the goodness of their heart. If and when that changes, GF&P will cease to exist as a state agency. And you can take that one to the bank.
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Liberty Belle
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P Joe
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Happy go lucky
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Liberty Belle
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LB do you really think you and a few of your "close" friends have the power to unseat a Whole Game and Fish agency? I'll ask you the same as me, are you off your meds or is your ego really that big? LOL.
I'm willing to bet the majority of your state would spank you on that issue, mainly those who make alot of money off of wildlife, be it the outfitter/guide, small town cafe's, gas stations, motel/hotels, steak houses and all the rest tied to the big dollars wildlife generates for the people of your state!
The wildlife is a public trust who would fill the shoes of your game agency LB? The feds would demand something and the people of your fine state would to, or the result could be a lawsuit for mis managment of resources brought on to you and others who would try and make something like that happen.
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Who is going to sue whom? What mismanagement of resources? That's quite an imagination you've got!
I should remind you that I and the other members of the legislature are elected to ride herd on all state agencies and make sure they are fulfilling the mandates we’ve given them. We work for the voters who put us in office and the agencies work for us, we don’t work for them.
The FEDS would demand something? From the state? You’re kidding, right?
The wildlife, those “resources” you mentioned, don’t belong to the federal government. They belong to the public, that’s you, me, and every other citizen of the individual states.
Neither the US Constitution nor the SD constitution requires the states to even HAVE a game department. In fact, wildlife is not mentioned in either document. Since it’s obvious that you don’t have a clue what either one says, you oughta try reading them. If your reading skills can handle it...
What did you say your name was?
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Happy go lucky
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LB look up the pittman/robertson act!
Who do you think makes up the federal Government? We by the people,for the people and are the people! They just have more pwoer than state or local government.
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