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Choclab
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Location: Ellensburg, Wa.
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| So..if ya start a colt with the bungee,,will it help him to keep his head level even without a tiedown down the road??? |
Plain and simple answer is yes...... Teach them where you want their heads from the very get go and they will learn that they will find relief in that head position. It's kinda like setting your car in neutral.
I use a tie down for roping. The tie-down helps my horse with his balance. He can push against it, which will help get his butt collected under himself and helps him stop better/harder. As far as pasture riding goes, I don't use one, no need to. Just in the arena
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Big Muddy rancher
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Location: Big Muddy valley
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| Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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| lol...quick gimmick and crutch eh? It works well, but what do I know....I just started colts my whole life. They get tired of pulling against the bungies and learn to keep their heads down. It teaches them how to find relief, or their "out", something that you will use to train your horse it's whole life. It also gets them ready for the tie-down. I want them to be able to feel comfortable pushing against the tie-down for balance. It helps them get under them selves and gets them stopping better. I have so much junk hanging off of my colts when I start them, it's alost funny. It never hurts using all the tricks you can to get your horse more broke. "Crutches" or not. So while your still trying to get your ranch bred pony's head out of your face, I'll be 10 steps ahead of you. Cowboyed horses are ok for plugging along on the ranch or trail....but not for the arena or show pen. Tell ya what there "cowboy", I'll take some video of how broke and responsive my horses are, and you do the same. |
Do it how ever it works for you but don't run down our "Ranch bred ponys" or our "cowboyed horses". We cover ground most arena horses couldn't think of covering. With out heads in our faces. Soapweed has posted lots of pictures of Saddle tramp and Peach Blossum and you don't seem high heads. Horse also learn by repition so so using a bungee might work great to get them to carry their head level but poor hands used continually with bring it back up.
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Hooks
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| I don't have the time, |
..I think somebody said "sometimes slower is faster"......they were talking about workin cattle, but it works for horses as well......
I don't train work horses on a schedule per say. Everything I got is for sale, and is priced and sold according to skill level at any given time. My time is always the same value.
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| The tie-down helps my horse with his balance |
....this is something I've always questioned. How come they don't use tie-downs in reined cow horse or ranch horse events? Or moreover, everyday ranch work................
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gcreekrch
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Location: west chilcotin bc
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| Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 8:53 am Post subject: |
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| I used to use a tie-down back when I team roped, it was one less thing that could go wrong. Never used one at home. There was one bright star up here that tried swimming a horse with a tie down on, it didn't work very well.
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Yanuck
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Location: idaho
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| Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 9:44 am Post subject: |
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| Choclab wrote: |
| lol...quick gimmick and crutch eh? It works well, but what do I know....I just started colts my whole life. They get tired of pulling against the bungies and learn to keep their heads down. It teaches them how to find relief, or their "out", something that you will use to train your horse it's whole life. It also gets them ready for the tie-down. I want them to be able to feel comfortable pushing against the tie-down for balance. It helps them get under them selves and gets them stopping better. I have so much junk hanging off of my colts when I start them, it's alost funny. It never hurts using all the tricks you can to get your horse more broke. "Crutches" or not. So while your still trying to get your ranch bred pony's head out of your face, I'll be 10 steps ahead of you. Cowboyed horses are ok for plugging along on the ranch or trail....but not for the arena or show pen. Tell ya what there "cowboy", I'll take some video of how broke and responsive my horses are, and you do the same. |
Do it how ever it works for you but don't run down our "Ranch bred ponys" or our "cowboyed horses". We cover ground most arena horses couldn't think of covering. With out heads in our faces. Soapweed has posted lots of pictures of Saddle tramp and Peach Blossum and you don't seem high heads. Horse also learn by repition so so using a bungee might work great to get them to carry their head level but poor hands used continually with bring it back up. |
I agree 100% BMR.
Choclab, sometimes those "Ranchbred or Cowboyed horses" get to go to town, and they're just as able to keep up or even pass some of those show ponies who never see a cow outside of an arena.
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Hooks
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Yanuck
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Hooks,
He is a Mr Tyree Baron Jack, he goes back to Pat Starr, just "Boomer" to us, he is standing at Pitzers now, here is the link
http://www.thepitzerranch.com/barongoldenjack.php
We bought him off an old cowboy who raised QH's for a lot of years, and sold 3/4 to the present owner before Oklahoma City, and then the remaining 1/4 in 2003, like you, everything we have is for sale... lots of days I'd pay someone to take my kids though!!! It was very cool to see him do so well, and to be a part of it, he was just a ranch horse at our place who would do anything for a handfull of Calf-Manna. The gelding in the photos I posted last week is his son, and he's pretty good also, unfortunately he inherited his mothers head! Brinkmans are some of the nicest people in the world, and they do things pretty right I think.
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Hooks
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Yanuck-
Sorry, saw the yellow & immediately thought of the Hombre horse. But that Baron horse is a dandy too. Course there's dang few that don't get the job done coming from there.
And you're right about Brinkmans, between the show records & sales, they have got their program pretty well established. First time I'd met them, but seemed like real nice folks.
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leanin' H
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Choclab
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Location: Ellensburg, Wa.
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| lol....you boys sure like your ranch ponies. It's funny how someone can critisize my methods, but the moment I say something about his pasture bred horses all you guys freak out.....good on you I guess for sticking together. Lord knows there are alot of likeminds with the same kinda horses on here. As far as I see, Hooks started all this BS by making is dumbass little comment on my thread. Just because you don't understand something doesn't give you the right to critisize....right? I'm sure Hooks started alot of horses and did it well enough to do it for a living for 10+ years........
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Mrs.Greg
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Location: Alberta
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| Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 11:07 am Post subject: |
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| lol....you boys sure like your ranch ponies. It's funny how someone can critisize my methods, but the moment I say something about his pasture bred horses all you guys freak out.....good on you I guess for sticking together. Lord knows there are alot of likeminds with the same kinda horses on here. As far as I see, Hooks started all this BS by making is dumbass little comment on my thread. Just because you don't understand something doesn't give you the right to critisize....right? I'm sure Hooks started alot of horses and did it well enough to do it for a living for 10+ years........ |
Just have to jump in here......you can't put Hooks and dumbass in the same sentence,no how no way! Hooks is one of THE classiest cowboys I "Know"
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