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Chuckie
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as far as the cinching goes, my, IDK, "usual ideololgy" (sorry, been reading too much Tom Clancy lately), is snug it up, at worst walk the horse about 30 secs to a minute, stop tighten up a little more, pull out forelegs (for really--OMG, just thought of this with him--i'll try it, haven't before) to set the girth, then tighten it up to "riding" tightness.
who knows what he's used to being off the track, AND he has quarter-cracks in both forefeet as of now. we'll see what the owner wants to do on that. but the initial OP stands...quarter cracks or not, that's NOT why he's being passive/aggressive.
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codymccue
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used to buy spoiled broke horses of a canner friend of mine...only thing wrong with em was between their ears...
trick I learned from an old hand has served me well twice...once on this type of trouble and once on a mare that would rear over backwards...
when that hoss goes down,make im stay there...for hours...he won't be as likely to do it again...
leave halter and lead on and when he lays down,pull his head to the side,flatten im out and give the lead a couple of wraps on the horn.He'll decide for himself that layin down with a saddle on isn't for him if he can't get back up when HE wants.
mind yer on level ground and use an old saddle there could be some squirming involved.
I always found that them makin up their minds about somethin sticks harder than if you do it for them. |
and this might be what i go with. reminds me of a gentleman fr wyoming and how he dealt with bad mules. and goes with the "consequences for actions" mindset i lean toward.
so then after i let him soak for a few hours on the nice (well, not green yet , grass), let him up, tighten the cinch up and go to ridin'?
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if he's a trained hoss snug him up tight like you mean it right off the hop.you don't have to cut im in half but make it tighter than usual.you WANT him to pull his trick.If he lays there snugged up it will be a better lesson than if he's semi comfortable.
remember,the hole idea is to make HIM decide that laying down with a saddle on is bad.
mind-a real spoiled one might not want to get up after and play like you kilt em.scoop a palmful of water outta the trough and pour into his nose...he'll be up faster than you ever seen.
and like my GrandDad always said-lots of good horses in the world-no sense riskin your life for a bad one...
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young gun
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gcreekrch
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Chuckie
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| just a non-update: between travelling for business and crappy weather, haven't had a chance to "apply" any "consequences". however, the coming week looks promising, shall update!!
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loomixguy
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| Once he went down, a pop bottle full of water in his ear should solve the problem once and for all.
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young gun
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| i have heard of doing the water in the ear thing before, never tried it out so not sure on the results
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peg4x4
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| Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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When I was MUCH younger,and much more foolish,had one to lie down.
2nt time,stepped on the saddle horn and made him think I was gonna beat him to death.. That did work..All I'm gonna say..
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Blkbuckaroo
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Chuckie
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"Waterboarding" Should of thought of that.  |
isn't that against the law unless you're CIA, FBI, NSA, or an MP? personally, i don't see anything wrong with having muzzled K9's in to encourage the bad guys to talk, but that's just me....
anyhoo-, looks like tomorrow will be the day we attempt the lie-down tie-down. Cait and i have rehearsed how it's *supposed* to go, but i have one BURNING question: how long do i let him soak?
til he quits trying to get up and then a few minutes more? that's what i'm thinkin'.
the plan is, after the first go-round, we'll try re-mounting, then re-tieing if he lies down again. is this smart? or should we wait til next time? from the looks of the weather, we won't be playing again til maybe next weekend...
oh!! if, after the first go-round and the remount (if that's what you all recommend), he does NOT try to go down, just go ahead and ride as usual? it's not like we give him a lather-producing workout...
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codymccue
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leave him down for a couple of hours or more...I left the rearing mare in my avatar pic all day...monitor him so he doesn't hurt himself...but usually once he is resigned to his fate he'll just lay and wait.Who ever gets him up will be his savior.This should be a one time thing.
My ol' uncle left his good ropin horse in the lane over night...my cousin rides him pickup now...
don't waste the lesson being soft.Layin there thinkin bout it won't hurt him a bit.
when you get him up,work him proper,remember that he still did it wrong this time.If he does it right next time,treat him like a king.
Rewarding good behavior goes a Hell of a lot farther than punishing bad,and what yer doing is not punishment ,its correction.There is a huge difference!!!
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Blkbuckaroo
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