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Jinglebob
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
3waycross wrote:
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QUESTION wrote:
You are right but only to a certain extent. The gemans were desperate as the war came to the end and historical documents showed they were enlisting boys as young as 12 years old to fight.
As for martyrdom it is for a religious fanatic yes. But it is to be expected when fighting with people who want to die for their cause. Pretty tough to claim victory when your opponent says dieing is a win. IMHO this is the vietman of the 21st century. Do you realize that no foreign force has ever conquered Iraq, Iran or Afganistan since Kubli Kahn and the mongol hoards.
I guess that is where i diifer from some i just couldn't put a gun to the head of a 5 yr. old and pull the trigger.


And this: Citizen of EARTH is why we will ultimately lose this conflict, because you and those like you always will force this country to cut and run and all the American boys will have given their lives for nothing. War is truly war and when you are not there you can't possibly know what you would do. However there is a pretty good chance that if you just stood there and looked at that jihadist 5 year old he would shoot you and my granddchildren would not have to have this endless discussion with your grandchildren, because you would have been culled.

I honestly believe that before the decade is over we will be wishing for an enemy like the germans in wwII. At least they individually had some regard for human life. The enemy we face now are barely more socially conscious than a dog. So keep trying to reason with them, it gives them something to laugh about while they are trying to decide which of our cities they want to nuke first.

I will apologize in advance to those here whom I have offended. Though I doubt there are many.




I Agree Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap Clap

Well said!
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 12:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I agree also , you can bet i dont care race or age or sex if you were just shootin at me , and i wound you and find you , you will not be breathing for long .
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
azcowpuncher wrote:
I agree also , you can bet i dont care race or age or sex if you were just shootin at me , and i wound you and find you , you will not be breathing for long .


It's only reasonable to put something wonded out of it's misery. To do less would be inhumane! Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Jinglebob wrote:
I Agree

Ask them Nam vets about children with hand grenades and booby traps.

Terrorists will use any means and do not recognize or follow the Geneva convention.

Sad for the children, but look to Africa where children are the soldiers.


This was exactly the poblem we faced, especially with the Chinese/Korean trained ZANLA terrorists. Children (Mujibas) were used to gather information, seek out OP's , monitor rural roads for military traffic etc, by eight years old, they were lobbing grenades into vehicles, civilian or military, and planting mines and booby traps, by twelve they would be out of the country for full military training. In the heat of a firefight there isn't time to make moral judgements,as a result civilians assisting the terrorists often were "caught in crossfire" and became casualties by being in the wrong place at the wrong time, armed juveniles were legitimate tsrgets, regretable, but that is the reality of counter insurgency warefare.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 1:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Maybe i am out to lunch but if this is a war what country have you all declared war on and who from that country can stop it by signing a peace declaration. The truth is this is turning into crusade it is against muslims. That is a religious sect not a country. You are fighting an idea. Just like Vietnam. And we all know how well that has worked. Hey we have canadians in afganistan who are dying as well, and trying to work with the civillians isn't working. It is apparent this was a bad decision and have now that it is appaernt it isn't doing any good will be leaving in 09. Think about it the oil you guys are buying from the middle east is paying for your emeny's weaponds so in essence you guys are arming your opponent. It is a viscious cycle. It seems to be making the military industrial complex alot of money at least. As far as killing child soldiers yeah it is a part of guerilla warfare but not a very appealing one. How many of those childern who survive will become the terrorists of the future. Maybe the focus should have been on getting rid of the taliban, alqeda, and Bin Ladden instead of starting something new in iraq. All i can say this looks to be a bad thing that is getting worse. Hopefully there isn't another country on your list. We did this 40 years ago in palastine and still have troops there that still die hopefully you guys are not going to be sending troops to Iraq for 40 years as well. But do what ever you guys want. You guys will have to deal with what is going on now for years ahead.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
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The truth is this is turning into crusade it is against muslims. That is a religious sect not a country.


It seems that no matter what answer is given you will not change your views....

War has never been about ideals, it has always been about killing, and greed..Hopefully the side with the better set of values wins...

the Radical islamic Terrorists don't care what you think,..they would use your concern for others as propaganda then be-head you when they tired of your whining....while that doesn't answer your hypothetical question about a child, of whom I would not kill unless I absolutely had to and it would bother me for the rest of my life... Now could you answer my question...

now for My question...

You want to stop the war,..so you travel to Iraq to "protest" and stop the killing... soon after arriving the Radical islamic Terrorist kidnap you..after using you for propaganda,..they decide to use you in your final video as a recruiting tool..

Right before they be-head you, a young marine bursts though the door..he wounds all of the Radical islamic Terrorists,..

But you are booby trapped with explosives..and the timer is at twenty nine seconds.

Should he get a medic for the wounded terrorists?...or double tap them so he can release you?...
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
QUESTION wrote:
Maybe i am out to lunch but if this is a war what country have you all declared war on and who from that country can stop it by signing a peace declaration. The truth is this is turning into crusade it is against muslims. That is a religious sect not a country. You are fighting an idea. Just like Vietnam. And we all know how well that has worked. Hey we have canadians in afganistan who are dying as well, and trying to work with the civillians isn't working. It is apparent this was a bad decision and have now that it is appaernt it isn't doing any good will be leaving in 09. Think about it the oil you guys are buying from the middle east is paying for your emeny's weaponds so in essence you guys are arming your opponent. It is a viscious cycle. It seems to be making the military industrial complex alot of money at least. As far as killing child soldiers yeah it is a part of guerilla warfare but not a very appealing one. How many of those childern who survive will become the terrorists of the future. Maybe the focus should have been on getting rid of the taliban, alqeda, and Bin Ladden instead of starting something new in iraq. All i can say this looks to be a bad thing that is getting worse. Hopefully there isn't another country on your list. We did this 40 years ago in palastine and still have troops there that still die hopefully you guys are not going to be sending troops to Iraq for 40 years as well. But do what ever you guys want. You guys will have to deal with what is going on now for years ahead.


I give you two words. NEVILLE CHAMBERLIN.

I also have one last question for you and then I will decline to participate in any more waste of time arguments with you CITIZEN OF EARTH.

When did the school bully stop taking everyones lunch money. When it made him a fine living everyday, or WHEN SOMEBODY GOT ENOUGH OF BEING ATTACKED, PUSHED AROUND, OR JUST CONSTANTLY MESSED WITH, AND PUNCHED THE SOB IN THE NOSE. We (AMERICANS), and I'm guessing you're not, are tired of being blamed for everything and getting credit for nothing good. Frankly I don't care where you're from, but if you don't have a dog in this fight GO HOME and take your TOUCHY FEELEY opinions with you. We're not taking anymore s--t from anyone.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
i agree jinglebob. it is a matter of life and death.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Two in the chest one in the head is the motto all armed forces should follow. I know I'm not going to hesitate to make sure the lives of my buddies as well as my own is covered. I deploy soon and the way I look at it's them or me and I plan on making it back home with all my buddies. Ammo is cheap life is expensive. And for those who disagree with these views I'm sorry for you. But when those insurgents fire at me I'll be sure to let God sort them out. I'll just arrange the meeting!
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 12:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
good luck and be safe! hope you return home safe and sound!
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 12:45 pm    Post subject: Double tap [not for squeamish] Reply with quote
QUESTION....Sounds to me that you met Charlie in a local Wal Mart.
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