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DJL
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He's getting pretty dark on the hocks where he's changing color, so it will be interesting to see what color he does decide on. Keep us updated, please! Very nice horses; love the hip on Newman!


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I was making up application to send his papers in-- I'd go Palomino (Chocolate palomino) and send those pic's in with the application, so that if you had to make a change later they would understand...May end up being Buttermilk Palomino- but I think the spots indicate he will darken a little more ...

Definitely going to be a shiney little fellow with the chrome he has.....

I had one that I sold a few years ago as a yearling that was a chocolate palomino (not quite as dark as your stud)-- but then a year later turned into a dappled golden palomino- that turned almost white each winter....But the little gal that got her didn't care what color she was, she was such a sweety.....


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks everyone for the advice and complements...

Here is what Newman looked like on June 2...I took a pile of horse photos that day and haven't posted them because Photobucket hasn't been playing nice! It takes FOREVER to upload very many photos...



These two are of Blackie, our black mare (TB,) and her buckskin baby, Buck...





OT, I think you have the right idea about registering Newman as a chocolate palamino. I think that is actually what the Stallion, Yellow, is registered as...I'll suggest that to the elders here. Also, I wonder too about the polygamist colonies...maybe those gals are so scared that they don't dare fight back!

JB...I'd love to do a little horse trading, but the ponies aren't mine...they are the ranches, and I'm the lowest of low on the totem pole, so I have no say in anything! But, I'm going to make a hint to the decision maker (Grandma...if she's behind you, stuff gets done! Wink Laughing Wink )

Hope you all haven't melted today...106 here with humidity, and storms south of us.

Cheers---

TTB Wink


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 12:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I think daddy is actually a silver gened boy ( extremely rare!!!!) but I think sir newman is a chocolate pally Smile

http://www.equinecolor.com/silver.html


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 7:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with Judith, the stallion looks like he has the silver gene.
If they are AQHA there is no chocolate palomino color option.

Nice ponies! Smile


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 8:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Turkey Track Bar wrote:


No, no App. QH on both sides of both stallion and mare as far back as you can go.


My friend, it doesn't matter what the bloodlines say, that colt has Appy blood somewhere down the line.

The App stud my Dad started with went back to the Old Sorrell on both sides, and he was the Reserve Grand Champion at the National Western in 1964, at Halter, after he had been campaigned in reining all over the midwest and south in '62 and '63.

You would be surprised how many foundation Quarter Horses were double registered Appaloosa as well. When Grandad bought Norell's Little Red in 1955 from Dewey Norell, he hauled him back to Louisiana and got him App registered as well, and had his name changed to Cooterville, Norell's Little Red. Red sired or was a grandsire of
MANY National and World Champions in the Appy world.

You may not like to hear this, but I think your colt will be a dark or chocolate roan up front, but will really be light in the rear, and those spots will loom u[ like an outhouse in a fog. That is the problem with these breed registries. They penalize a man for waiting to register his horses, but many times you have no idea what color they will turn out to be. You end up with a horse that doesn't match the papers. However, this has been a boon to many horse jockey's on the sale circuit. With a briefcase containing over 100 sets of papers, they can surely find some papers to fit.

You have some nice horseflesh. Don't feel bad that some genetics caught up with that colt.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 8:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Judith and Jigger Boss...

Well, embarrassingly, we'd never heard of such a thing..."Silver," but when looking at those photos, they are dead on to our Stallion. He does lighten up a little in the winter.

The temperature dropped about 35 degrees over night. Maybe we can catch the 'ol man and get a better photo of him today. Not, that he is uncatchable or mean, I meant maybe we'll get a minute to do it today. Embarassed We ride him fairly often out of the breeding season.

OK, I'm being lazy now, 'cause I could look it up myself, but you guys are so up on stuff, I'll ask you Laughing is the test for the "Silver Gene" blood or hair, and which lab in the states would you send it? The same lab you send the HYPP stuff?

Loomix....it wouldn't bother me if there were App...I can say with a high level (99+%) certainty on the Stallion side that there isn't any App., but on Roan's (the mare) side, I guess there could be. We bought her. I don't have her pedigree in front of us. As you can see we aren't breed picky around here....we have a TB and now a crop out Paint....who I think is pretty snazzy. As long as they have a decent disposition and conformation, have some speed and cow sense, they're welcome to stay.

Cheers---

TTB Wink


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 9:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As well put together as that little guy is, color will be pretty insignificant, especially if the disposition is good....

Funny how if we let them just be horses for awhile a lot of the disposition stuff turns out ok.....

I have a Gelding that started out Grulla, went Dun the next year and is now a grey........The guy whose Stud I used had a lot of that going on in his herd,

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PPRM wrote:
color will be pretty insignificant, especially if the disposition is good....

PPRM


Tell that to the people who can't get paid for their good sorrels. Wink


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JB,

I Understand what you are saying. I was thinking in terms of people that use horses.....That context was because i was looking at the shape of that baby......

How old are these sorrels and what can you do on them? You never know who I may run accross,

Is there any white on them? LOL

If you have not yet, post some pictures,

PPRM


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm here late, but I want to get in on this discussion.

I think, too, that Newman should be registered as Palamino.
Grey horses are born black or dark, not white or light colored.
Greys lighten as they get older. Palamino horses darken as they
age, if I recall correctly.

We had a chocolate, dappled Palamino that Curt Pate borrowed when
he announced rodeoes on horseback. (Many moons ago!)
That horse was really light
when I bought him as a 3 year old in December.
He got to be the most beautiful and unique color, that is one reason why Curt liked him for announcing.
He really was gorgeous with a silver mane and tail. Looked really
fancy in the lights at night, too.
(Of course, Curt did too. He always is/
was such a handsome man. And always was/is so nice.)

And as for the sorrells, JB, Mr. FH and I was with Stan Weaver
(Weaver QH from Big Sandy, Mt.) the evening he first talked with
Lynn Weishaar about crying his sale. We talked about color and I
remember Lynn saying, "Yes, color sells. But one thing sells better
than color, and that is QUALITY." Stan has sold some mighty
expensive sorrell and bay horses since then.

Of course, we all know
that color does sell. But don't underestimate those good bays
and sorrells...

As for me, my FAVORITE color is a coon-tailed horse. I really, really
like them.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2007 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PPRM wrote:
JB,

I Understand what you are saying. I was thinking in terms of people that use horses.....That context was because i was looking at the shape of that baby......

How old are these sorrels and what can you do on them? You never know who I may run accross,

Is there any white on them? LOL

If you have not yet, post some pictures,

PPRM
I was just thinking of all the cheap sorrel colts at the horse sales in the fall. Might be the best horse in the whole sale, but no one can get past the color except for a few and they get them lots cheaper.


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