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 Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 9:39 am Post subject: Hey, ff |
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Didn't you post something recently about "Elections have consequences." Wasn't it something like that? Is this the kind of "consequences" you were talking about? 
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DNC Superdelegate Puts His Vote Up For Sale
Steven Ybarra Wants $20 Million For His Vote
SACRAMENTO, Calif. (CBS13) ― In this tight battle for the Democratic nomination we've heard a lot about the candidates courting superdelegates.
But, one superdelegate is courting the candidates. He says he'll sell his vote for a price. A very high price: $20 million.
Steven Ybarra of Sacramento says that eight-figure price is peanuts for the presidency.
When asked whether it was right to offer what is clearly a quid pro quo, he responded, "yeah, absolutely. People do it all the time," answered Ybarra.
But not like this. Not in public and not for such big bucks. It begs the question: Is he crazy?
"Nobody's said I'm crazy," said Ybarra.
Ybarra wants every cent of the $20 million to go towards registering and educating eligible Mexican-American voters, who he calls the key to the White House.
"And I keep asking the question of the DNC: 'why won't you earmark money for these voters?' And their answer is, 'oh, we can't do that' Which is a lie," said Ybarra.
With the Democratic National Committee saying 'no,' Ybarra waits for a 'yes' from already cash-strapped Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama.
Would he accept less? How about $5 million?
"No, $5 million is nothing," said Ybarra.
It might be a moot point as neither campaign has come calling.
"No, I think most people right now are looking at this as some crazy guy in California because after all I'm from California," said Ybarra.
He thinks his own party is crazy for not aggressively pursuing the Mexican-American vote especially with such a large Mexican-American population in the southwest.
"We should kick John McCain's a** in his own hometown," said Ybarra.
This superdelegate thinks his vote would be the best $20 million a candidate could ever spend. After all, he says, in 2004 John Kerry spent $1 billion to lose.
http://cbs13.com/politics/Superdelegate.Vote.Ybarra.2.718616.html
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backhoeboogie
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| Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 9:47 am Post subject: Re: Hey, ff |
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| Texan wrote: |
| . After all, he says, in 2004 John Kerry spent $1 billion to lose. |
Now that's the funny.
Hoffa would pay off another demo if he was till around. This guy will find someone I am sure.
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fff
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| Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 1:09 pm Post subject: Re: Hey, ff |
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Didn't you post something recently about "Elections have consequences." Wasn't it something like that? Is this the kind of "consequences" you were talking about?
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DNC Superdelegate Puts His Vote Up For Sale
Steven Ybarra Wants $20 Million For His Vote
SACRAMENTO, Calif. (CBS13) ― In this tight battle for the Democratic nomination we've heard a lot about the candidates courting superdelegates.
But, one superdelegate is courting the candidates. He says he'll sell his vote for a price. A very high price: $20 million.
Steven Ybarra of Sacramento says that eight-figure price is peanuts for the presidency.
When asked whether it was right to offer what is clearly a quid pro quo, he responded, "yeah, absolutely. People do it all the time," answered Ybarra.
But not like this. Not in public and not for such big bucks. It begs the question: Is he crazy?
"Nobody's said I'm crazy," said Ybarra.
Ybarra wants every cent of the $20 million to go towards registering and educating eligible Mexican-American voters, who he calls the key to the White House.
"And I keep asking the question of the DNC: 'why won't you earmark money for these voters?' And their answer is, 'oh, we can't do that' Which is a lie," said Ybarra.
With the Democratic National Committee saying 'no,' Ybarra waits for a 'yes' from already cash-strapped Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama.
Would he accept less? How about $5 million?
"No, $5 million is nothing," said Ybarra.
It might be a moot point as neither campaign has come calling.
"No, I think most people right now are looking at this as some crazy guy in California because after all I'm from California," said Ybarra.
He thinks his own party is crazy for not aggressively pursuing the Mexican-American vote especially with such a large Mexican-American population in the southwest.
"We should kick John McCain's a** in his own hometown," said Ybarra.
This superdelegate thinks his vote would be the best $20 million a candidate could ever spend. After all, he says, in 2004 John Kerry spent $1 billion to lose.
http://cbs13.com/politics/Superdelegate.Vote.Ybarra.2.718616.html |
Election consequences?  It's pretty doubtful that he'll get the asking price. Obama probably doesn't need his vote and Hillary can't afford it.
But, man, think of what that money could do to encourage Hispanics to register and vote.  Would they vote for Republicans, you think?
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| Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 7:12 am Post subject: Re: Hey, ff |
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Election consequences? It's pretty doubtful that he'll get the asking price. Obama probably doesn't need his vote and Hillary can't afford it.
But, man, think of what that money could do to encourage Hispanics to register and vote. Would they vote for Republicans, you think? |
So...I take it that you don't have a problem with somebody selling his vote to the highest bidder?
Of course, paying off Superdelegates is nothing new for you Dems, is it? That's just business as usual for the Democrat party, huh?
"And while it would be unseemly for the candidates to hand out thousands of dollars to primary voters, or to the delegates pledged to represent the will of those voters, elected officials who are superdelegates have received at least $904,200 from Obama and Clinton in the form of campaign contributions over the last three years, according to the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics.
"Obama, who narrowly leads in the count of pledged, "non-super" delegates, has doled out more than $698,200 to superdelegates from his political action committee, Hope Fund, or campaign committee since 2005. Of the 82 elected officials who had announced as of Feb. 12 that their superdelegate votes would go to the Illinois senator, 35, or 43 percent of this group, have received campaign contributions from him in the 2006 or 2008 election cycles, totaling $232,200."
More at the link:
http://www.capitaleye.org/capital_eye/inside.php?ID=336
Change?
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aplusmnt
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| Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 7:19 am Post subject: Re: Hey, ff |
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Election consequences? It's pretty doubtful that he'll get the asking price. Obama probably doesn't need his vote and Hillary can't afford it.
But, man, think of what that money could do to encourage Hispanics to register and vote. Would they vote for Republicans, you think? |
So...I take it that you don't have a problem with somebody selling his vote to the highest bidder?
Of course, paying off Superdelegates is nothing new for you Dems, is it? That's just business as usual for the Democrat party, huh?
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Have you ever seen a Liberal on this message board criticize a Democrat or have a problem with something they have did? It is for sure a rare occurrence for one to do so, especially fff.
Conservatives all the time, criticize stuff Republicans do on here and in the real world. I think it blows the Liberals minds to see conservatives like Hannity, Rush and ones on here criticize McCain. They are so use to accepting everything a Democrat does as being good, it seems foreign for them to see people that do not strictly walk party line.
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aplusmnt
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I wonder how proud the Democrats are that a small group of Super Delegates will decide their nominee and possibly the next president, but all the citizens of Florida and Michigan have no say in things.
Super Delegates pretty well sums up the Democratic party!
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I can criticize a few things;
#1...this SuperDelegate deal is stupid. It should be popular vote ONLY. Who ever gets the most popular votes...wins that state.
#2..This saying that ' other' countries should not be negotiated with is crazy and dangerous. Clinton takes pretty much the same line as Bush on this matter and it's wrong. There's a saying, " keep your friends close but your enemies closer"
That's 2 right off the top of my head...prob could come up with some more but got to dash off to a meeting.
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fff
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| Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 9:22 am Post subject: Re: Hey, ff |
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| Texan wrote: |
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Election consequences? It's pretty doubtful that he'll get the asking price. Obama probably doesn't need his vote and Hillary can't afford it.
But, man, think of what that money could do to encourage Hispanics to register and vote. Would they vote for Republicans, you think? |
So...I take it that you don't have a problem with somebody selling his vote to the highest bidder?
Of course, paying off Superdelegates is nothing new for you Dems, is it? That's just business as usual for the Democrat party, huh? |
Have you ever seen a Liberal on this message board criticize a Democrat or have a problem with something they have did? It is for sure a rare occurrence for one to do so, especially fff.
Conservatives all the time, criticize stuff Republicans do on here and in the real world. I think it blows the Liberals minds to see conservatives like Hannity, Rush and ones on here criticize McCain. They are so use to accepting everything a Democrat does as being good, it seems foreign for them to see people that do not strictly walk party line. |
You may criticize, but you'll vote for McCain, just like you voted for Bush. You obviously don't read many "liberal" discussion boards. There are plenty of them out there that criticize one candidate or another. But, in the end, we're all Democrats and will work for whichever candidate wins the nomination. You're just POed because McBush is the candidate of your party this year. Hold your nose and pull the lever.
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fff
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I can criticize a few things;
#1...this SuperDelegate deal is stupid. It should be popular vote ONLY. Who ever gets the most popular votes...wins that state.
#2..This saying that ' other' countries should not be negotiated with is crazy and dangerous. Clinton takes pretty much the same line as Bush on this matter and it's wrong. There's a saying, " keep your friends close but your enemies closer"
That's 2 right off the top of my head...prob could come up with some more but got to dash off to a meeting. |
I agree. This superdelegate stuff needs to go and caucuses, too. After this year, maybe they will.
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