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katrina
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PostPosted: Sat May 06, 2006 8:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I too love dressage. And one of my dreams before I die is to take one lesson.........
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PostPosted: Sat May 06, 2006 10:27 am    Post subject: Re: Hackamore vs Bit Question. Reply with quote
TimH wrote:
I don't like forcing a horse to have a bit in it's mouth.


Never "force a horse to take a bit" there are ways to teach them to take it

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bleeding at times.


There are many reasons for bleeding - like you say - most of the time a past operaton - - I would never put a bit in the mouth of a Bleeder Exclamation But that don't mean to go to a hackamore - look into a "Steal Hackamore"

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I'm sending my 4 yr. old gelding for some training soon and plan on using a hackamore when he comes back.


What's you Trainer go to use? A snaffle? How do I say this? Would you play and train in the football marching band the show up to the game ready to play football and think you ready to play.

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My wife is quite expierenced in dressage and jumping and always rides with a bit.She rolls her eyes at me when I get on about using a hack.


Quite acting like a Dude and think like a horseman - and stop her Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Oh! She is most likely useing an English Bit with 4 rains of some sort

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My question is, what do you experienced horse-folk use? If you use a hackamore, what type? Am I just being a sissy??? Smile


If your smart enough to Pay a Trainer Lesson to him or SAVE YOUR MONEY Exclamation
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PostPosted: Sat May 06, 2006 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
My question is, what do you experienced horse-folk use? If you use a hackamore, what type? Am I just being a sissy???

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Right now im useing
3/4" Bosal with 4 strand 3/4" mecate.
Then a 5/8" bosal with a 5/8", 6 strand 5/8" mecate, then a 4 strand 5/8" mecate.
Then a 1/2" bosal with a 4 strand 5/8" mecate, then a 6 strand 1/2" mecate.
Then I two rein with a 3/8" bosal with the 6 stand 1/2" mecate a long with a spade bit and romal reins.
After a year and a half in the two rein I ride straight up in the spade.
When I get more money I will be buying more bosals and more mecates to give me more options.
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PostPosted: Sat May 06, 2006 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
katrina wrote:
I too love dressage. And one of my dreams before I die is to take one lesson.........


Sorry if this sounds to Broke Back Mountain but some of the Kurs are just so beautiful that it almost like an emotional experience just to watch them.
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PostPosted: Sat May 06, 2006 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Not even close to brokeback mountain Roper... It is a beautiful thing..
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PostPosted: Sat May 06, 2006 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Thanks ,everyone, for the tips. Smile
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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2006 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I start all of our colts in a halter and then I go to a pencil bosal. Your hands and body do need to be in time to make things go good. One of the major things to remember when using a bosal is that you can never pull on it. You need to ask and release if you aren't getting what you want stop! Think about what you want and how to get it. Pulling will dull your horse and you won't get what you want. When the horse is ready I move them to the appropriate bit. However you'll find that most horses do work better in a halter because we are forced to ride better to get what we want. I ride my gelding in a halter a lot to work on my own position. I don't tie the lead rope I use a one rein effect. I find myself using my hands instead of riding properly and useing body language to get what I want. This will really let you see where you fall down as a rider. Start in an arena first!! When I want to stop I sit down relax ask and then lift up on my leadrope. Not back. If I get in trouble I can always do a one rein stop. It's fun and you'll find that you and your horse truly start to work as one. Then put your bit back on and see how fast you fall back to your old habits. Takes me until the first calf turns back!!! Confused Smile
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PostPosted: Sun May 07, 2006 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Heel Fly wrote:
I start all of our colts in a halter and then I go to a pencil bosal. Your hands and body do need to be in time to make things go good. One of the major things to remember when using a bosal is that you can never pull on it. You need to ask and release if you aren't getting what you want stop! Think about what you want and how to get it. Pulling will dull your horse and you won't get what you want. When the horse is ready I move them to the appropriate bit. However you'll find that most horses do work better in a halter because we are forced to ride better to get what we want. I ride my gelding in a halter a lot to work on my own position. I don't tie the lead rope I use a one rein effect. I find myself using my hands instead of riding properly and useing body language to get what I want. This will really let you see where you fall down as a rider. Start in an arena first!! When I want to stop I sit down relax ask and then lift up on my leadrope. Not back. If I get in trouble I can always do a one rein stop. It's fun and you'll find that you and your horse truly start to work as one. Then put your bit back on and see how fast you fall back to your old habits. Takes me until the first calf turns back!!! Confused Smile
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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2006 2:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
I think the original post must have been a mechanical jaw chain/ barrel racers rig.


The book by Connel is the bible, but Dave Jones is a better teacher if you're really green.

There are few hackamore reinsmen, but that is a lofty goal for everyone to learn from. A good hackamore man can get nice results from a snaffle as well, I think the bosal demands good hands.
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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2006 5:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Brad S wrote:
I think the original post must have been a mechanical jaw chain/ barrel racers rig.


The book by Connel is the bible, but Dave Jones is a better teacher if you're really green.

There are few hackamore reinsmen, but that is a lofty goal for everyone to learn from. A good hackamore man can get nice results from a snaffle as well, I think the bosal demands good hands.


If I remember right, the hacks that I saw did have a small chain under the jaw. So maybe they were mechanical hackamores. Like I said, I'm an idiot when it comes to horse-stuff plus it was about 30 years ago.
I like the sound of the bosals that others mentioned so maybe will try that. The mechanical/chain thing does seem a little harsh when I stop and think about it.
Maybe a better title for this thread would have been "Bit or no Bit ??"
All I know is that after I saw those ponies mouth's bleeding,all those years ago, I always thought that if I ever owned a horse I wouldn't use a bit if I could avoid it.
I finally own a horse, at 40+ yrs old. Kinda sucks to be a beginner at this age but good advice is pretty easy to come by around here. Smile
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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2006 6:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
If you do use a bosal remember two things. One is that the smaller the Plait( number of strands of rawhided used) the coarser and more riggid it will be I always use a 16 you don't want to scalp your horses jaw. And you don't just buy one and go use it, you need to shape it first.
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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2006 6:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Tim, We were all green at one time....You have a good teacher with your wife so just pay attention......
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