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jodywy Member

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Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 12:29 pm Post subject: Senator Clinton goes to school |
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Hillary Clinton went to a primary school in New York to talk about the
world. After her talk, she has a "question and answer" period. One little
boy raises his hand and the Senator asks him for his name.
"Kenneth."
"And what is your question, Kenneth?"
"I have three questions:
First, whatever happened to your medical health care plan?
Second, why would you run for President after your husband shamed the office?
And third, whatever happened to all those things you took when you left the White House?"
Just then the bell rings for recess. Hillary Clinton informs the children that they will continue after recess.
When they resume Hillary says, "Okay where were we? Oh, that's right, question time. Who has a question?"
A different little boy puts his hand up. Hillary points to him and asks him for his name.
"Larry."
"And what is your question?"
"I have five questions:
First, whatever happened to your medical health care plan?
Second, why would you run for President after your husband shamed the office?
Third, whatever happened to all those things you took when you left the White House?
Fourth, why did the recess bell go off 20 minutes early?
And fifth, what happened to Kenneth?
_________________
"I Went to the End of the Rainbow, As Dame Forture did Intend, But Murphy was There to Tell Me That the Pot Was at the Other End"
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Big Muddy rancher Rancher

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Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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| I sent this to my Mother in law. Bet she doesn't find it as funny as I did.
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reader (the Second) Rancher

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Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Big Muddy rancher wrote: |
| I sent this to my Mother in law. Bet she doesn't find it as funny as I did. |
because?
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jodywy Member

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Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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Why is it...
...that story has such a familiarity to it?
...people "get it" about the references?
...the humor in the story ...is almost frightening?
...and BTW, Kenneth couldn't handle the pressure of gradeschool anymore and went to an obscure park, and hung himself from a swingset!
AND... Larry was taken to a secure location to be interogated about his vast right-wing associations! He should soon return to class as soon as his "reprogramming" is completed.
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Big Muddy rancher Rancher

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nr Rancher

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Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 9:04 am Post subject: |
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According to this article, Ol' Hil is successfully re-inventing herself.
Who Gets It? Hillary
By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF
f the Democratic Party wants to figure out how to win national elections again, it has an unexpected guide: Hillary Rodham Clinton.
Senator Clinton, much more than most in her party, understands how the national Democratic Party needs to rebrand itself. She gets it - perhaps that's what 17 years in socially conservative Arkansas does to you.
The first lesson Mrs. Clinton is demonstrating is the need to talk much more openly about God and prayer. That resonates in a country where a Pew poll found that 60 percent of Americans pray at least once a day.
"I've always been a praying person," Mrs. Clinton declared recently. Of course, this approach works in her case only because her religious faith is longstanding. It didn't work for Howard Dean when he described the Book of Job as his favorite book in the New Testament. With a candidate like him, you'd worry that more talk about religion would lead to comments about how much he treasures the Twelfth Commandment.
Democrats are usually more comfortable talking about sex than God. But that doesn't work in a country where 70 percent say that "presidents should have strong religious beliefs."
Then there's abortion. Mrs. Clinton took a hugely important step in January when she sought common ground and described abortion as a "sad, even tragic choice to many, many women."
The Democratic Party commits seppuku in the heartland by coming across as indifferent to people's doubts about abortions or even as pro-abortion. A Times poll in January found that 61 percent of Americans favor tighter restrictions on abortion, or even a ban, while only 36 percent agree with the Democratic Party position backing current abortion law.
That doesn't mean that there's no middle ground on abortion. In fact, most of America is standing, conflicted, on middle ground. Many people are deeply uncomfortable with abortions, but they also don't want women or doctors going to prison, and they don't want teenage girls dying because of coat-hanger abortions.
What has been lethal for Democrats has not been their pro-choice position as such, but the perception that they don't even share public qualms about abortion. Mrs. Clinton has helped turn the debate around by emerging as both pro-choice and anti-abortion.
That is potentially a winning position for Democrats. Abortions fell steadily under Bill Clinton, who espoused that position, and have increased significantly during President Bush's presidency. (One theory is that economic difficulties have left more pregnant women feeling that they cannot afford a baby.)
Mrs. Clinton is also hard to dismiss as a screechy obstructionist because she's gone out of her way to be collegial in the Senate and to work with Republicans from Trent Lott to Sam Brownback. Senator John Kerry never seemed much liked by his colleagues, while other senators seem to like Mrs. Clinton. Perhaps it's that, according to New York magazine, she surprises other senators by popping up during meetings and asking: Anybody want a coffee?
The makeover is working with New York State voters. Mrs. Clinton has an approval rating in the state of 69 percent, according to a Times poll published last month, and her negative ratings have tumbled to 21 percent. That puts her approval rating even higher than that of New York's popular senior senator, Charles Schumer.
Still, I doubt that Mrs. Clinton can be elected president. I use my hometown, the farming community of Yamhill, Ore., as my touchstone for the heartland, and I have a hard time imagining that she could do well there. Ambitious, high-achieving women are still a turnoff in many areas, particularly if they're liberal and feminist. And that's not just in America: Margaret Thatcher would never have been elected prime minister if she'd been in the Labor Party.
In small towns like Yamhill, any candidate from New York carries a lot of baggage, and Mrs. Clinton more than most. Moreover, television magnifies her emotional reserve and turns her into a frost queen. Mrs. Clinton's negative ratings nationally were still around 40 percent at last count, and Hillary-hating thrives.
So Mrs. Clinton may not be able to get there from here, and in any case it's way too early to speculate meaningfully about 2008. But it's just the right time for Democrats to be fretting about how to reconnect to the heartland, and they can't find a better model for how to do that than Mrs. Clinton.
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reader (the Second) Rancher

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Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 9:18 am Post subject: |
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According to this article, Ol' Hil is successfully re-inventing herself.
Who Gets It? Hillary
By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF
f the Democratic Party wants to figure out how to win national elections again, it has an unexpected guide: Hillary Rodham Clinton.
Senator Clinton, much more than most in her party, understands how the national Democratic Party needs to rebrand itself. She gets it - perhaps that's what 17 years in socially conservative Arkansas does to you.
The first lesson Mrs. Clinton is demonstrating is the need to talk much more openly about God and prayer. That resonates in a country where a Pew poll found that 60 percent of Americans pray at least once a day.
"I've always been a praying person," Mrs. Clinton declared recently. Of course, this approach works in her case only because her religious faith is longstanding. It didn't work for Howard Dean when he described the Book of Job as his favorite book in the New Testament. With a candidate like him, you'd worry that more talk about religion would lead to comments about how much he treasures the Twelfth Commandment.
Democrats are usually more comfortable talking about sex than God. But that doesn't work in a country where 70 percent say that "presidents should have strong religious beliefs."
Then there's abortion. Mrs. Clinton took a hugely important step in January when she sought common ground and described abortion as a "sad, even tragic choice to many, many women."
The Democratic Party commits seppuku in the heartland by coming across as indifferent to people's doubts about abortions or even as pro-abortion. A Times poll in January found that 61 percent of Americans favor tighter restrictions on abortion, or even a ban, while only 36 percent agree with the Democratic Party position backing current abortion law.
That doesn't mean that there's no middle ground on abortion. In fact, most of America is standing, conflicted, on middle ground. Many people are deeply uncomfortable with abortions, but they also don't want women or doctors going to prison, and they don't want teenage girls dying because of coat-hanger abortions.
What has been lethal for Democrats has not been their pro-choice position as such, but the perception that they don't even share public qualms about abortion. Mrs. Clinton has helped turn the debate around by emerging as both pro-choice and anti-abortion.
That is potentially a winning position for Democrats. Abortions fell steadily under Bill Clinton, who espoused that position, and have increased significantly during President Bush's presidency. (One theory is that economic difficulties have left more pregnant women feeling that they cannot afford a baby.)
Mrs. Clinton is also hard to dismiss as a screechy obstructionist because she's gone out of her way to be collegial in the Senate and to work with Republicans from Trent Lott to Sam Brownback. Senator John Kerry never seemed much liked by his colleagues, while other senators seem to like Mrs. Clinton. Perhaps it's that, according to New York magazine, she surprises other senators by popping up during meetings and asking: Anybody want a coffee?
The makeover is working with New York State voters. Mrs. Clinton has an approval rating in the state of 69 percent, according to a Times poll published last month, and her negative ratings have tumbled to 21 percent. That puts her approval rating even higher than that of New York's popular senior senator, Charles Schumer.
Still, I doubt that Mrs. Clinton can be elected president. I use my hometown, the farming community of Yamhill, Ore., as my touchstone for the heartland, and I have a hard time imagining that she could do well there. Ambitious, high-achieving women are still a turnoff in many areas, particularly if they're liberal and feminist. And that's not just in America: Margaret Thatcher would never have been elected prime minister if she'd been in the Labor Party.
In small towns like Yamhill, any candidate from New York carries a lot of baggage, and Mrs. Clinton more than most. Moreover, television magnifies her emotional reserve and turns her into a frost queen. Mrs. Clinton's negative ratings nationally were still around 40 percent at last count, and Hillary-hating thrives.
So Mrs. Clinton may not be able to get there from here, and in any case it's way too early to speculate meaningfully about 2008. But it's just the right time for Democrats to be fretting about how to reconnect to the heartland, and they can't find a better model for how to do that than Mrs. Clinton. |
I came to Washington about the same time as the Clintons. I was nearly middle age, had short blonde hair, and was intelligent and assertive. I work in a business that then was mostly retired military guys. They immediately called me Hilary and voiced their disdain for her. From what I have heard, she's not the nicest person around but honestly, some of the disdain for her is visceral on the part of people who simply didn't like her being a pushy broad. I'd be interested in what people so dislike about her - her politics, her not being a proper first lady, her being too smart, her reputed nastiness, her not murdering her husband for philandering, etc.
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katrina Rancher

Joined: 14 Feb 2005 Posts: 4847 Location: East north east of Soapweed
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Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 3:05 pm Post subject: |
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I agree with Soapweed. Hilary makes me want to look for my purse and hold it tight to me..The fact that her law partner so called committed suicide, makes me wonder. And slick willyand bill loose on the prowl in the white house gives me the ebbee jeebeees. One word comes to mind.
WHITE TRASH...
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reader (the Second) Rancher

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Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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Forgive me for being judgemental. "Judge not, that you might not be judged." Here goes, anyway.
What I don't like about Hilary is that she is "coniving" and self-centered. She is a person that it would be hard to trust, and I think if you did, you would be setting yourself up for a big let-down. Hilary comes first, and no matter who gets tromped down in the process, Hilary still comes first.
She started out a "conservative" and was a young Republican at one time. She backslid badly, and is now very liberal in her political views. Most sensible people work in the opposite direction. They start out more "liberal" and try to right all the supposed wrongs of the world when they are young. Older age and sensibility eventually come upon them, and they realize that many of the woes of the world are largely caused because of bleeding heart liberals.
This is just the way it looks to me from the Soapweedy side of the hill.  |
I can buy this view of Hilary although I think all politicians are lying scheming bastards -- well, not all, but most at the Federal level. Hilary probably didn't hide her conniving particularly well and is probably not so likeable from what I've heard. I admit to being a Democrat and having some admiration for Bill Clinton but not ANY having to do with his horrible, embarrassing, and infantile sexual pecadillos. I think he's a very smart country boy and not very good at being smooth. Yeah, I have no idea what to think about that suicide. Pressure and stress are awful things, having just been through a major tragedy myself as well as turmoil at work immediately before. Some people break when pushed to the edge.
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katrina Rancher

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Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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Reader the second,
If I was a betting woman(which reminds me of a joke) I would bet he was murdered.. Now for the joke:
Naw I'll get threw off of here and embarrass myself...
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reader (the Second) Rancher

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Posted: Wed Mar 16, 2005 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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Reader the second,
If I was a betting woman(which reminds me of a joke) I would bet he was murdered.. Now for the joke:
Naw I'll get threw off of here and embarrass myself... |
There was much speculation about that and some of us wondered but I thought that had actually been shown to be very unlikely by the investigation.
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