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[katrina]

Here is another one HMW.


Sen.Glenn was so quick on his feet. When you speak
> > from the heart and with passion, you never know what
> > comes out.
> >
> > -------SENATOR JOHN GLENN SAID:
> > Things that make you think a little.......
> > 1. There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq
> > during the month of January.....In the fair city of
> > Detroit there were 35 murders in the month of
> > January. That's just one American City, about as
> > deadly as the entire war torn country of Iraq.
> > 2. When some claim President Bush shouldn't have
> > started this war, state the following .
> > FDR...led us into World War II.
> > Germany never attacked us: Japan did.
> > From 1941-1945! , 450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500 per
> >year.
> > Truman...finished that war and started one in
> > Korea, North Korea never attacked us. From 1950-1953,
> > 55,000 lives were lost, an average of 18,334 per year.
> > John F. Kennedy....started the Vietnam conflict in
> > 1962. Vietnam never attacked us. Johnson...turned
> > Vietnam into a quagmire. From 1965-1975,
> > 58,000 lives were lost, an average of 5,800 per year.
> > Clinton...went to war in Bosnia without UN or
> > French consent, Bosnia never attacked us. He was
> > offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three
> > times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked
> > us on multiple occasions.
> > 3. In the two years since terrorists attacked us
> > President Bush has liberated two countries, crushed
> > the Taliban, crippled al-Qaida, put nuclear
> > inspectors in Libya, Iran and North Korea without
> > firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who
> > slaughtered 300,000 of his own people.
> > The Democrats are complaining about how long the war
> > is taking, but...It took less time to take Iraq
> > than it took Janet Reno to take the Branch Davidian
> > compound. That was a 51-day operation.
> > We've been looking for evidence of chemical weapons
> > in Iraq for less time than it took Hillary Clinton
> > to find the Rose Law Firm billing records.
> > It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to
> > destroy the Medina Republican Guard than it took Ted Kennedy to call
the
> >police after his Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick killing a woman.
> > Wait, there's more......................
> > Some people still don't understand why military
> > personnel do what they! do for a living.
> > This exchange between Senators John Glenn and Senator
> > Howard Metzenbaum is worth reading. Not only is it a
> > pretty impressive impromptu speech, but it's also a
> > good example of one man's explanation of why men and
> > women in the armed services do what they do for a
> > living. This is a typical, though sad, example of
> > what some who have never served think of our military.
> > JOHN GLENN ON THE SENATE FLOOR Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2004 11:13
> > Senator Howard Metzenbaum to Senator Glenn: "How can you
> > run for Senate when you've never held a real job?"
> > Senator Glenn: "I served 23 years in the United States
> > Marine Corps. I served through two wars. I flew 149 missions.
> > My plane was hit by antiaircraft fire on 12 different occasions.
> > I was in the space program.
> > You go with me to the Space Program at N! ASA and go, as I have gone,
to
> >the widows and orphans of Ed White, Gus Grissom and Roger Chaffee...
and
> >you look those kids in the eye and tell them that their Dads didn't
hold a
> >job.
> > You go with me on Memorial Day and you stand in Arlington
> > National Cemetery, where I have more friends buried than I'd
> > like to remember, and you watch those waving flags.
> > You stand there, and you think about this nation, and you
> > tell ME that those people didn't have a job?
> >
> > I'll tell you,Howard Metzenbaum; you should be on your knees every
day
> >ofyour life thanking God that there were some men - SOME MEN -
> > who held REAL jobs. And they required a dedication to a
> > purpose - and a love of country and a dedication to duty
> > that was more important than life itself. And their self-sacrifice
> > is what made this! country possible.
> > I HAVE held a job, Howard! What about you?"
> > For those who don't remember - During W.W.II, Howard Metzenbaum was
an
> >attorney representing the Communist Party in the USA
> > If you can read this, thank a teacher.... If you are reading
> > it in English thank a Veteran.

[Red Robin]

For those who don't remember - During W.W.II, Howard Metzenbaum was
an
> >attorney representing the Communist Party in the USA


What party would dare put a communist lawyer in their network? The moderates?

[katrina]

They havn't a clue Red Robin.........And just don't get it.....

[Red Robin]

I think they get it Katrina. They know full well what they are doing. They put communist lawyers in their party because they sympathise with communists, socialists, they defend the degenerate while they oppress the innocent. They know what they do. Vote against them.

[Mike]

Communist Democrats:

http://www.dsausa.org/dl/index.html

[Hanta Yo]

THAT'S SOME SCARY READING!!!!!

[katrina]

HMW, Here is the truth about where you're getting your information on Stars and Stripes: Geeze......Lady...........


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Online "Stars & Stripes" is a Dot-Con

Author's note: See also Online Stars & Stripes, Revisited.
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Pacific Stars & Stripes
Stars & Stripes History
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Stars & Stripes

Anyone in the military who has spent even one week overseas, has fallen in love with the Stars & Stripes newspaper. Quite frankly, I liked it better than most civilian newspapers published in the States. The Stars & Stripes does a great job keeping the military member informed about what's going on at home, as well as in-theater news and information.


While deployed to Kuwait, I remember how each military transport would be met with joyous anticipation, because we knew there would be several copies (just a day or two old!) of the Stars & Stripes aboard. These issues did much to save our sanity, protecting us from spending too much time on our alternative off-duty relaxation -- the daily scorpion races.

An announcement that the Stars & Stripes was going online in a major way (The Pacific Edition has already been online since 1997) should have been exciting news.

It's not.

"Pittsburgh, PA and Washington, DC - May 2, 2000 - iServed.com, www.iserved.com, the Internet's leading multimedia military content and solutions provider (MCSP), announced today that the company has acquired The Stars and Stripes newspaper, a 138 year-old national treasure and America's oldest privately owned military publication. The acquisition will merge the history, authority and advocacy of The Stars and Stripes with the military content capabilities and technological expertise of iServed.com, an Internet-age business-to-business company. The union will provide first-rate news coverage, online services and information to military members, veterans and their families as well as veteran service organizations through the multimedia channels of a newspaper, Internet site and weekly electronic newsletters. Terms of the agreement were not disclosed."

Sounds great, doesn't it? The Associated Press was taken in by it. CBS Radio was taken in by it. Here's the catch: This Stars & Stripes "newspaper" has nothing whatsoever to do with the Stars & Stripes publication you and I have come to love over the decades. But, if you visit this new online edition (I don't recommend it), you have to dig around to discover it is a completely different newspaper (the press release doesn't make this simple, but important fact clear, at all).

In fact, the Site's "Special Edition," intertwines the history of the real Stars & Stripes and the history of the National Tribune (who apparently owns the "rights" for the title "Stars & Stripes" - although this is debatable) so effectively that they appear to be one-in-the-same.

So, how can iServed.com legally use the same trademark and even stories published by the real Stars & Stripes?

The Stars and Stripes trademark, recently bought by iserved, is reportedly "owned" by a publication known as The National Tribune. Most items published by the Government is considered "public domain," i.e., it has no copyright. Sometime after WW I, a group of veterans who might have worked on the AEF edition started a weekly veteran's newsletter in New York, and titled it Stars & Stripes. It was later rolled up with a number of other veterans' papers (including the National Tribune, which was originally a paper for Civil War veterans) in the Bonus Army era, and at some point in the mid-1920s filed a trademark claim on the name "Stars and Stripes." Quite simply, the military used the trademark first, but the Government can't copyright, so the National Tribune was allowed to register it. The National Tribune then, reportedly "generously" allowed the Department of Defense to continue using the name.

This isn't the first time the "owner" of the trademark tried to cash in on the reputation and popularity of the real Stars & Stripes. In fact, the National Tribune went through at least one mail fraud investigation for misrepresentation.

The real Stars & Stripes has gotten a bum deal over the past decade. First, the military draw down has significantly reduced its readership, causing it to raise prices (Congress mandates that the Stars & Stripes not operate at a loss), then it's forced to turn its overseas bookstores (which it used to help keep newspaper prices down) over to AAFES. And now this "rip-off" of their very name.

Jack Colletti, Chairman and CEO of iServed.com should be ashamed of himself. This former Naval Officer (who presumably enjoyed reading the real Stars & Stripes as much as we did) has shamed the memories of the ten real Stars & Stripes reporters who have died in the line of duty.

Shame, shame, shame, shame, shame.

Author's Note: (Added, August 3, 2001: Stars & Stripes Omedia, Inc., has announced this month that they are filing for Chapter 7 Bankrupcy

[CattleRMe]

I think you all lost the focus of the forum.

Liberal sign up remember.

____________
aka CattleArmy

[kolanuraven]

I'm a liberal.....didn't know we were taking a head count! But that's not a news flash to anyone!! I'm a freethinker...I make my own decisions and I'm not a fan of " group think" and I don't go along party lines even if I think it's wrong...just for the sake of the " party". Ok...maybe that 's not being a ' team player'...so be it.

It's about 2 hrs later than my last post and I still do not support Bush's War and I will support the kids over there any way I can.......You say I can't support the troops and NOT support the war......HIDE AND WATCH ME!!!

So I'm sending a few boxes every month to help some kids a long scary way from home....you bet I'm gonna do it cause I'm on their side. And another thing.... everyone says " we're" fighting the war. well unless you got a rat in yer pocket there is no " We' involved....it's 'them" the kids in the service doing all the fighting!!

[theHiredMansWife]

[Silver]

good Lord, you guys should hear yourselves.

[katrina]

Like pounding your head aginst a wall...HMW, If you don't get the post I gave you, Lord have mercy on you........