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TXTibbs
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Joined: 09 Apr 2005
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Location: South Central Texas, former South Dakotan
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TX,
again, in direct opposition to ETG post, check with your vet, let her grow up, breed her to a dog that will IMPROVE the breed, not just get pups. of course, you can maybe make $$ breeding her every chance you get (but i doubt it, actually, my parents bred Beagles, they did it ethically, and always said "you don't make money breeding dogs"--but that's ethical breeding).
if you love your dog, and i think you do, if she's not an outstanding example of the breed, don't wear her out and put her in an early grave producing pups that will go to who know's what kind of homes. spay her, keep her around for your pleasure for years.
i've been getting into working dogs lately: personal protection, search & rescue, poplice service dogs, etc., and the bottom line with these guys is: if the dog can't do what it's bred for, and PROVE IT in trials, it shouldn't be bred.
for example, look at the american-bred german shepherd dog--they are so anatomically INcorrect that they couldn't serve the function they were bred for if they're lives depended upon it 
"form follows function"--breeding dogs isn't any different than breeding cattle: if you're not improving the breed, don't do it. just MHO. you may think your bitch has potential, and maybe she does, but how do you know this early??
let her grow up, PLEASE??? and if she won't improve the breed as a whole, don't breed her.
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Chuckie is prolly a secret puppy mill producer for the great plains region and is just trying to discourage me from breeding her for her own protection.....not poluting the corgi $$ industry!! 
just joking....  
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TXTibbs
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Location: South Central Texas, former South Dakotan
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TX,
again, in direct opposition to ETG post, check with your vet, let her grow up, breed her to a dog that will IMPROVE the breed, not just get pups. of course, you can maybe make $$ breeding her every chance you get (but i doubt it, actually, my parents bred Beagles, they did it ethically, and always said "you don't make money breeding dogs"--but that's ethical breeding).
if you love your dog, and i think you do, if she's not an outstanding example of the breed, don't wear her out and put her in an early grave producing pups that will go to who know's what kind of homes. spay her, keep her around for your pleasure for years.
i've been getting into working dogs lately: personal protection, search & rescue, poplice service dogs, etc., and the bottom line with these guys is: if the dog can't do what it's bred for, and PROVE IT in trials, it shouldn't be bred.
for example, look at the american-bred german shepherd dog--they are so anatomically INcorrect that they couldn't serve the function they were bred for if they're lives depended upon it
"form follows function"--breeding dogs isn't any different than breeding cattle: if you're not improving the breed, don't do it. just MHO. you may think your bitch has potential, and maybe she does, but how do you know this early??
let her grow up, PLEASE??? and if she won't improve the breed as a whole, don't breed her.
end of rant... |
Chuckie is prolly a secret puppy mill producer for the great plains region and is just trying to discourage me from breeding her for her own protection.....not poluting the corgi $$ industry!!
just joking....
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Chuckie
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Location: northeast nebraska
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theHiredMansWife
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Chuckie,
Am I reading this right? Do you breed corgis?
I don't suppose you happen to breed your corgis to herd, do you?
I'm currently in the market for just such a creature...
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Chuckie
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Location: northeast nebraska
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Denny
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Chuckie
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theHiredMansWife
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Not to worry, I've recently joined a couple of lists devoted to working corgis to get info!
And you're preaching to the choir so far as pet overpopulation.
All of my dogs (I currently have four) are fixed. Each of them is either from a shelter, a rescue, dumped or a "free to good home".
If we actually purchase a pup, it will be from a reputable breeder who is breeding for the working lines we're after. And, if we actually purchase a pup, it'll be the first of the seven dogs I've owned since leaving home that was purchased...
But we'd really like to get a good, working dog. Up til now, it's been a luxury having a dog. On this place, it'd reduce the need for day-help...
PS: so far as disposable... that's one of my big irritations, too. We've turned down jobs because they insisted we would have to "get rid of" a few dogs. My kids do far more damage to any house we've ever lived in than my dogs have, but we wouldn't get rid of them either. 
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Turkey Track Bar
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Location: North Central SD, South Central ND
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Not to worry, I've recently joined a couple of lists devoted to working corgis to get info!
And you're preaching to the choir so far as pet overpopulation.
All of my dogs (I currently have four) are fixed. Each of them is either from a shelter, a rescue, dumped or a "free to good home".
If we actually purchase a pup, it will be from a reputable breeder who is breeding for the working lines we're after. And, if we actually purchase a pup, it'll be the first of the seven dogs I've owned since leaving home that was purchased...
But we'd really like to get a good, working dog. Up til now, it's been a luxury having a dog. On this place, it'd reduce the need for day-help...
PS: so far as disposable... that's one of my big irritations, too. We've turned down jobs because they insisted we would have to "get rid of" a few dogs. My kids do far more damage to any house we've ever lived in than my dogs have, but we wouldn't get rid of them either. |
THMW:
If you're looking for a Corgi, there is a breeder in your greater area--west of Valentine, Kilgore, I think is the town, and her name is Jackie Lurz (? spelling) We got our Corgi Holly from her a little over a year ago, and we love her. She herds, and the whole nine yards, plus was easy to house break (we got her at 5 wks and she was completely potty trained at 7-8 wks of age) and is by far the best people dog you'll ever meet. I don't know if there is a human she doesn't love--everyone from 100 years to 1 month! I'll see if I can find her phone number and PM it to you.
Cheers,
TTB
PS: If you want to know what Holly looks like, here's a past link with some photos!!
http://ranchers.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5127
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theHiredMansWife
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Hanta Yo
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Our Corgi is a working cowdog, he does well loading up cows in the chute and in trailer. He is fearless, if a cow hurts him in any way, she pays the price  . However, the Corgi thing is to look the cow in the eye, he also likes to bite them on the nose, so when we're trying to move them in one direction, by looking them in the eye he tends to turn them around, which ticks me off . He doesn't always do it, and sometimes it's a good thing esp when we're trying to head off a breakaway and need her to turn around. We just need to work with him and with the proper training I think any Corgi could excel. One other prob, they have short little legs so after a couple miles of traveling on foot behind our horses he tends to get a little tired, so we basically use him around the corrals. FWIW and IMHO.
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Faster horses
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" opinions on breeding animals in general, and dogs especially: there are WAY too many puppy mills &/or uneducated/uncaring people breeding dogs--just go to your local shelter if you don't believe me.
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