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Radar
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 8:23 am    Post subject: Dead End Jobs Reply with quote

This is on the list of dead end jobs posted on msn.com. I wonder if that 250,000 includes jobs in towns dependent on agriculture?


"Here are 10 of the jobs expected to decline between now and 2012 according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

Farmers and Ranchers
This dwindling occupation will see the largest decrease of all sectors, losing 250,000 jobs by 2012. The complexity of modern farming and keen competition among farmers leaves little room for the marginally successful farmer. Therefore, the long-term trend toward consolidation of farms into fewer and larger farms is expected to continue displacing small independent farmers."


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 8:42 am    Post subject: Re: Dead End Jobs Reply with quote

Radar wrote:
This is on the list of dead end jobs posted on msn.com. I wonder if that 250,000 includes jobs in towns dependent on agriculture?


"Here are 10 of the jobs expected to decline between now and 2012 according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

Farmers and Ranchers
This dwindling occupation will see the largest decrease of all sectors, losing 250,000 jobs by 2012. The complexity of modern farming and keen competition among farmers leaves little room for the marginally successful farmer. Therefore, the long-term trend toward consolidation of farms into fewer and larger farms is expected to continue displacing small independent farmers."


Whats wrong with this picture? I could understand this if the population were in decline, but it's not, and people still have to eat. Plant and animal efficiency can only go so far. Say what? Say what?


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

With today"s effienciey(sp) we have produced ourselves out of buisness. Today at the elevator corn is $1.60... Pencil that into todays cost......
Try $3.90 wheat with 3.00 fuel.........
Price machinery....
Get some work done on your vehicle in town or go to the doctor, dentist any of that and who's on the short end of the stick.
Does your town appreciate you shopping in there stores???
Bottom line..............
IS THIS THE LIFE YOU WOULD WANT FOR YOUR KIDS??????


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Jinglebob
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 8:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

katrina wrote:
With today"s effienciey(sp) we have produced ourselves out of buisness. Today at the elevator corn is $1.60... Pencil that into todays cost......
Try $3.90 wheat with 3.00 fuel.........
Price machinery....
Get some work done on your vehicle in town or go to the doctor, dentist any of that and who's on the short end of the stick.
Does your town appreciate you shopping in there stores???
Bottom line..............
IS THIS THE LIFE YOU WOULD WANT FOR YOUR KIDS??????


I heard this same thing from older folks about 20 to 30 years ago. The more things change, the more they stay the same. The only thing that doesn't change is that all things change.

If young people want to live the life and do this kind of work, they will find a way to do it. Older folks will get tired of the needed changes and young people will take their place in the ag work force.


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Denny
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I was a kid we mowed hay with an H Farmall and a #5 JD mower with a roller bar hay rake now we use a Rowse dbl 9 mower and large wheel rakes with baler that will eat Very large winrows at a high rate of speed.I rent a farm that my dad rented it usally took 2 weeks to make the hay then I put it up this year in 2 1/2 days BIG difference.Its called progress.Step up or step aside...


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katrina
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 9:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah right......And someday someone will have to pay for the step-up. Bought any land lately???


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Denny
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 9:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

katrina wrote:
Yeah right......And someday someone will have to pay for the step-up. Bought any land lately???


Dont need to, rent is near as cheap as the taxes around here I'm in the cow business not the land business leave the land to land speculators..

profit margins are leaner so you need more #s to make it work those days of making a living on a 100 cows are gone.You can do it but it will be a lean living. I just wont complain about the profession I chose you NEED to adapt to the times or quit its that simple many around here have quit and got jobs in town some like it some dont.

Would you move to Brazil to stay in the farming business.I would many have.As countries modernize their cost of production will increase its caused by greed its human nature and it has no boundries.

If things get so bad that I have to quit Framing it will be caused by my own willingness not to change.. Where there's a will there'a way....THINK POSITIVE..


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katrina
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 9:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are very lucky Denny. Rent is anywhere from $30.00 ccp to $50.00. It just makes sense to own it here rather than rent. I would guess too that you can run more per acre. I do need to think positive don't I??? Whew bad day.... Confused


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Denny
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 11:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

katrina wrote:
You are very lucky Denny. Rent is anywhere from $30.00 ccp to $50.00. It just makes sense to own it here rather than rent. I would guess too that you can run more per acre. I do need to think positive don't I??? Whew bad day.... Confused


at $50 a ccp I don't think I would be positive I would be selling out that does'nt even make sense...I pay between $10 to $15 per pair per month my yearling heifers are on a 30 acre pasture there's 25 heifers 2 pairs and a bull turned out May 20th it will hold them till nov 1 but its a good pasture...


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Maple Leaf Angus
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, Denny, I think that if ccp land in your area would be $50, you should follow your own advice and just think a little more positive. . . where thre's a will, there's a way . . . Laughing

Not?


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Maple Leaf Angus
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 11:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, Denny, I hear ya. "positive only goes so far. I just get really P.O.'ed when I hear that phrase.

We have bought into the expansion theory for about 35 years too long now. Somebody forgot to tell us about the law of diminishing returns.


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Northern Rancher
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 20, 2005 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I always thought proctology was about as dead end a job as you could find-then I became an A'I tech.


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