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DOC HARRIS
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2005 8:01 pm    Post subject: Has GOD changed His mind? Reply with quote

In what book of the Bible does God tell his people to "Clone" - - anything - - in order to reproduce any species? The OPERATIVE WORD here is CLONE!


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 3:29 am    Post subject: Re: Has GOD changed His mind? Reply with quote

DOC HARRIS wrote:
In what book of the Bible does God tell his people to "Clone" - - anything - - in order to reproduce any species? The OPERATIVE WORD here is CLONE!


To my limited knowledge, God didn't.
However... doesn't it also say man shall work "by the sweat of his brow" (no mention of an airconditioned tractor!
Or any kind of tractor for that matter)...so don't you believe we have to interpret the intention and continuity of meaning rather than hunt for a single word in Scriptures?

I'm just throwing this idea around since I'm not sure about cloning except I'm definitely AGAINST cloning people. One of you and me DOC is more than enough! Very Happy


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 7:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder if Reader the second is a clone of Reader the first Say what? Wink


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 9:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big Muddy rancher wrote:
I wonder if Reader the second is a clone of Reader the first Say what? Wink


Y'know, Big Muddy rancher, I've been wondering the same thing. There's something about her that just ain't original! Laughing Laughing Laughing Wink


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 9:26 am    Post subject: Re: Has GOD changed His mind? Reply with quote

nr wrote:
DOC HARRIS wrote:
In what book of the Bible does God tell his people to "Clone" - - anything - - in order to reproduce any species? The OPERATIVE WORD here is CLONE!


To my limited knowledge, God didn't.
However... doesn't it also say man shall work "by the sweat of his brow" (no mention of an airconditioned tractor!
Or any kind of tractor for that matter)...so don't you believe we have to interpret the intention and continuity of meaning rather than hunt for a single word in Scriptures?

I'm just throwing this idea around since I'm not sure about cloning except I'm definitely AGAINST cloning people. One of you and me DOC is more than enough! Very Happy



Interesting thoughts, nr. I wonder though, if you are comparing apples to apples. with your analogy.

He did say that we will work to earn our food, but I think that those who have an air conditioned tractor still know what it means to sweat.


The thing that He said that gives me pause in regard to this genetic enginering and cloning issue is that He made each living thing to produce "seed after it's own kind".

How do we get around that one?


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 9:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good point about "seed after its own kind." Obviously I have to give this more thought. Shocked Confused There, I've done that and still don't know.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 10:43 am    Post subject: Re: Has GOD changed His mind? Reply with quote

Maple Leaf Angus wrote:
nr wrote:
DOC HARRIS wrote:
In what book of the Bible does God tell his people to "Clone" - - anything - - in order to reproduce any species? The OPERATIVE WORD here is CLONE!


To my limited knowledge, God didn't.
However... doesn't it also say man shall work "by the sweat of his brow" (no mention of an airconditioned tractor!
Or any kind of tractor for that matter)...so don't you believe we have to interpret the intention and continuity of meaning rather than hunt for a single word in Scriptures?

I'm just throwing this idea around since I'm not sure about cloning except I'm definitely AGAINST cloning people. One of you and me DOC is more than enough! Very Happy



Interesting thoughts, nr. I wonder though, if you are comparing apples to apples. with your analogy.

He did say that we will work to earn our food, but I think that those who have an air conditioned tractor still know what it means to sweat.


The thing that He said that gives me pause in regard to this genetic enginering and cloning issue is that He made each living thing to produce "seed after it's own kind".

How do we get around that one?
YESSSS! Maple Leaf Angus - why - oh - why didn't I think of the "seed after it's own kind" when I came up with the post in the first place?? Rolling Eyes That is the absolute ultimate perfect answer to the question about cloning! ..............and talking about 'Apples'- - - - When old "ADAM" fell and got tangled up with Apple Vines (!) - - all Hell broke loose and we are now struggling through the results. Knowing "some" people the way all of us do,. . . .in spite of all the "good intentions" regarding cloning....... Twisted Evil PEOPLE ARE NEXT Twisted Evil and I sure as HELL don't want that! I hope NONE of us want that. God's Plan is working out. I trust Him!


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 12:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just a thought here but isn't cloning kinda in the line of genetic engineering? I don't know if it's right or not but the whole thing of us humans messing with things like genetics in corn seed and other things like that. They are living things, are they not? I don't know what to think on this. No yelling here(by the way) I'm just throwing out the thought.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 2:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CarlB wrote:
Just a thought here but isn't cloning kinda in the line of genetic engineering? I don't know if it's right or not but the whole thing of us humans messing with things like genetics in corn seed and other things like that. They are living things, are they not? I don't know what to think on this. No yelling here(by the way) I'm just throwing out the thought.
CarlB - I understand your thinking here regarding the similarities between "Cloning" and "Genetic Engineering". Perhaps it might be more easily visualized and understood if we compare the definitions of the two terms.

GENETIC ENGINEERING: The branch of biology dealing with the splicing and recombining of specific genetic units from the DNA of living organisms as in order to produce new species or biochemicals (emphasis mine).

CLONING: The technic of producing a genetically identical duplicate of an organism by replacing the nucleus of an unfertilized ovum with the nucleus of a body cell from the organism. (emphasis mine).

Now we can see that 'genetic engineering' designates manipulation of biological units for the purpose(s) of producing NEW species - whereas cloning concerns itself with producing absolutely identical copies of the SAME INDIVIDUAL (and of course the SAME species).

The terms are similar - - but not congruent.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 4:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Has GOD changed His mind? Reply with quote

DOC HARRIS wrote:
Maple Leaf Angus wrote:
nr wrote:
DOC HARRIS wrote:
In what book of the Bible does God tell his people to "Clone" - - anything - - in order to reproduce any species? The OPERATIVE WORD here is CLONE!


To my limited knowledge, God didn't.
However... doesn't it also say man shall work "by the sweat of his brow" (no mention of an airconditioned tractor!
Or any kind of tractor for that matter)...so don't you believe we have to interpret the intention and continuity of meaning rather than hunt for a single word in Scriptures?

I'm just throwing this idea around since I'm not sure about cloning except I'm definitely AGAINST cloning people. One of you and me DOC is more than enough! Very Happy



Interesting thoughts, nr. I wonder though, if you are comparing apples to apples. with your analogy.

He did say that we will work to earn our food, but I think that those who have an air conditioned tractor still know what it means to sweat.


The thing that He said that gives me pause in regard to this genetic enginering and cloning issue is that He made each living thing to produce "seed after it's own kind".

How do we get around that one?
YESSSS! Maple Leaf Angus - why - oh - why didn't I think of the "seed after it's own kind" when I came up with the post in the first place?? Rolling Eyes That is the absolute ultimate perfect answer to the question about cloning! ..............and talking about 'Apples'- - - - When old "ADAM" fell and got tangled up with Apple Vines (!) - - all Hell broke loose and we are now struggling through the results. Knowing "some" people the way all of us do,. . . .in spite of all the "good intentions" regarding cloning....... Twisted Evil PEOPLE ARE NEXT Twisted Evil and I sure as HELL don't want that! I hope NONE of us want that. God's Plan is working out. I trust Him!


The Tower of Babel didn't work out too good either.

I think we are starting to walk in some of the same steps that our far, distant past ancesters did with bad results.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MLA"The Tower of Babel didn't work out too good either.

I think we are starting to walk in some of the same steps that our far, distant past ancesters did with bad results."

You got that right, and in my humble opinion God doesn't change but people are always trying to assume the role. And that's when the sh*t hits the fan.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2005 10:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Has GOD changed His mind? Reply with quote

DOC HARRIS wrote:
Maple Leaf Angus wrote:
nr wrote:
DOC HARRIS wrote:
In what book of the Bible does God tell his people to "Clone" - - anything - - in order to reproduce any species? The OPERATIVE WORD here is CLONE!


To my limited knowledge, God didn't.
However... doesn't it also say man shall work "by the sweat of his brow" (no mention of an airconditioned tractor!
Or any kind of tractor for that matter)...so don't you believe we have to interpret the intention and continuity of meaning rather than hunt for a single word in Scriptures?

I'm just throwing this idea around since I'm not sure about cloning except I'm definitely AGAINST cloning people. One of you and me DOC is more than enough! Very Happy



Interesting thoughts, nr. I wonder though, if you are comparing apples to apples. with your analogy.

He did say that we will work to earn our food, but I think that those who have an air conditioned tractor still know what it means to sweat.


The thing that He said that gives me pause in regard to this genetic enginering and cloning issue is that He made each living thing to produce "seed after it's own kind".

How do we get around that one?
YESSSS! Maple Leaf Angus - why - oh - why didn't I think of the "seed after it's own kind" when I came up with the post in the first place?? Rolling Eyes That is the absolute ultimate perfect answer to the question about cloning! ..............and talking about 'Apples'- - - - When old "ADAM" fell and got tangled up with Apple Vines (!) - - all Hell broke loose and we are now struggling through the results. Knowing "some" people the way all of us do,. . . .in spite of all the "good intentions" regarding cloning....... Twisted Evil PEOPLE ARE NEXT Twisted Evil and I sure as HELL don't want that! I hope NONE of us want that. God's Plan is working out. I trust Him!




Speaking of Adam and apples did you know that Adam was a Mennonite?




Whose esle would be tempted by an Apple with a NAKED woman standing there. Rolling Eyes


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