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Andy
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 7:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Last year in the feedlot we had a steer that got a single strand off of a 3/8s cable around his foot. And somehow it got tangled and acted like a snare. It had cut in to the flesh right above the hoof to the point where you couldn't even see it. If it had been there much longer i think that calf may have lost a foot. Most likely not what happened to your cow, but i thought i would share.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 8:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with BMR. We treat over 3 days with full dose, low-pain oxytetracycline. We currently have our old bull recovering from a bad case of foot rot in his left back leg. His son, is now having problems with cracks in his hooves, and has slowed him down considerably.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 9:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We should start a thread with all the things that we have found on cattle and horses feet.
Once we picked up a yearling that was limping and it had a broken quart sealer jar around it's foot and another time a bull had half hitched a peice of fine eletic fence wire around it's leg. Could not figure out what was cause this until felt in the cut and had to dig in with a pair of side cutter to cut the wire.
We had a horse the that had some thing shiny on the sole of its foot, turned out to be a ledger plat off a mower guard wit the rivet still in it and stuck in the foot.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aaron wrote:
I agree with BMR. We treat over 3 days with full dose, low-pain oxytetracycline. We currently have our old bull recovering from a bad case of foot rot in his left back leg. His son, is now having problems with cracks in his hooves, and has slowed him down considerably.


We try to catch footrot early enough to take a short piece of clean braided rope, put it between the toes and draw it back and forth to clean it out thoroughly with a good flush of water. Then squirt Coppertox liberally up between the toes.

Haven't given a shot of anti-biotics for foot rot in 3-4 years.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 10:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's our favourite secret remedy.

First make sure it's not an abscess or crack problem though. Exclamation We use this on chronic footrot, and it also works on joints that get swollen from haemophilus. Everyone says you can't cure swollen joints, but we've never had it fail. It's more of a horse style remedy than cow style, but it works. We've been doing this for fifteen years now.

Soak the foot for about a half an hour in warm water with some hibitaine or other such antibacterial soap. They really like this, and you'd be amazed at how they will just stand there. Then mix about a third of a tube of Domoso gel with 50 cc of Liqua LA. (Any kind of Oxy will work, but it needs to be water based) Take a roll of 4 inch gauze, and roll out enough soak up the mixture. Then wrap it around the leg, using up all the gauze. Cover it with vetrap. Give him a big shot of some long acting antibiotic. We use Nuflor if the LA has failed in the past. Then let him go.

If you put the bandage on properly, it will stay on a very long time. Wear gloves. Exclamation Otherwise you will taste the domoso! This stuff is a powerful anti-inflammatory, but also has the ability to carry the LA right into the tissues. It takes a few days, but you should see an improvement. The secret to a good bandage is to wrap it so that if you are looking down from above, the bandage goes clockwise on the right legs and couterclockwise on the left legs. Done that way they usually stay on for us until we catch the animal and cut them off. Cool


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 10:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big Muddy rancher wrote:
We should start a thread with all the things that we have found on cattle and horses feet.
Once we picked up a yearling that was limping and it had a broken quart sealer jar around it's foot and another time a bull had half hitched a peice of fine eletic fence wire around it's leg. Could not figure out what was cause this until felt in the cut and had to dig in with a pair of side cutter to cut the wire.
We had a horse the that had some thing shiny on the sole of its foot, turned out to be a ledger plat off a mower guard wit the rivet still in it and stuck in the foot.


Agree with ya B.M.R We had a cow come home with a coyote snare last month .One hell of a mess.Maggots everywhere.Fished out the snare with of all things a crochet hook so we could snip off with side cutters.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 12:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it is footrot,


have had best luck with Tylan and Copertox. I generally like to give something other than Oxytet or LA if I can. It is a matter of medicine rotation in my book. If I treat everything with tetracyclines, pretty soon it could be less effective. Plus, Tylan deal has always worked for me,

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Denny
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 8:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We usally just rope them and give them 60cc's of LA 200 has been working well all summer have had alot of it this summer.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 6:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you for the suggestions everyone!
We have been waiting to see what the last antibiotics, the Propen LA and the sulpha boluses would do and the cow is better. The hind hoof wasn't cracking above the toe like the front was. The hind is much better and the leakage from the front foot has almost stopped. I don't know if the drugs, all or any of them, caused the improvement. Should I re-dose with any of them or hope the hoof rot has run it's course and will get better now?


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Faster horses wrote:
WELL, #1~are you sure it is hoof rot?

Did you take her temperature?
Was the foot (feet) swollen at the coronary band?
Did it, does it stink real bad?

You may not be dealing with hoofrot; you may be dealing with a bad-footed cow. Is there cracks in her toes?

We had a customer call us last winter that was "getting a lot of hoof rot." So we checked it out. Every cow had cracks in their feet. We took temperatures; no temperature on any cow.

What had happened was, the rancher was feeding cake in big pastures. We had a severe cold spell. The cattle were travelling quite a ways to water and quite a ways to the cake on badly frozen ground. That set up the scenerio for sore-footed cows to show up. And the ones that showed up all had long toes or cracks in their toes.

What I found interesting was that this rancher had called two or three vets and they all said to treat with LA-200 and sulfa boluses. The ones they treated did not get better. Not one vet went out to look at what was going on. But they sure took his money for the medication.

And we wonder why we have a problem with antibiotics in this country?
Faster Horses - you are SO correct regarding antibiotics and almost all "super-everything" drugs - animals AND humans. I am not opposed to the terrific pharmaceutical discoveries which have been forth-coming lately, - HOWEVER - There is a time and a way to use them correctly and not to over-utilize anything which will create side-effects, or be ineffective! Most veterinarians, if they are sincerely interested in their patients will do the best that they can for them, and not doing an examination after a suggestion does not work - - - - well......




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PostPosted: Wed Jul 27, 2005 8:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The best thing that we have found to treat footrot with is Nuflor. Usually we see results by the next day.


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DOC HARRIS
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 9:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Help for foot rot? Reply with quote

Border rancher wrote:
We have a young cow (feeding a big calf) that has foot rot in one back and one front foot. We gave her a large dose of oxy tet to start with, with no improvement. A couple weeks later we gave her a large dose of LA penicillin and 8 large sulfa pills. Still not much difference. I guess the next step must be the foot soaks with the formalin or copper sulphate solution, but that is a lot of work as I know from past experience. Does anyone know of anything else that might help?
Check new post "New thought~Let's get some input on this" as of Sunday 7-31.


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