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PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Our 11-year old grandson is here staying with us and he dislikes Cowboy U as much as we do.

Hard to understand that something that STUPID is still on the air.

I detest what they do to the horses. In fact, I detest the whole thing. Mad Evil or Very Mad Twisted Evil Exclamation


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Faster horses wrote:
Our 11-year old grandson is here staying with us and he dislikes Cowboy U as much as we do.

Hard to understand that something that STUPID is still on the air.

I detest what they do to the horses. In fact, I detest the whole thing. Mad Evil or Very Mad Twisted Evil Exclamation



I'm so glad that I'm not the only one that detests that show. The first season was rather entertaining, then it went straight down the toilet.....FAST!!! Rolling Eyes

P.S. I also picked up on the 'toes pointed down'.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 3:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I found a picture or statue of George with his toes NOT pointed up.
But it was done in the 1800's so I guess the fashion of horsemanship had changed by then.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 7:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nr, please don't worry about GW's toes any longer!

I think the reason that 'heels down' has become the proper way to ride is due to the fact of what happens to the calves of your legs when the heels are down vs. toes down. We have learned that putting your heels down takes the calf of your leg away from your horse. This is especially important when you give 'leg cues' to your horse. When the toes are down, the calves of your legs are 'into' your horse more. When that happens, he becomes 'dead sided', more or less, and/or might tend to be 'on the muscle' if he is that kind of horse. (GW may have even wanted his horse to be 'on the muscle' a bit!)

And, as with anything, moderation is the key. Many, many ranchers that ride a lot, ride with their feet more or less flat. I watch the people that break horses and ride with ox-bow stirrups. Their feet almost 'clutch' the stirrup with the arch of their foot and they ride with their foot pretty flat. High in the arch, but pretty even from heel to toe.

This 'heels down' thing probably didn't mean a hill of beans to GW~and has been learned in later years as breaking/riding horses became more sophisticated. Real good horseman use their legs as 'aids' to help their horses perform at peak level.

Riding with toes down, also puts you a bit foreward in the saddle and we have learned (supposedly) that you need to ride with your "W's" deep in the saddle. However, ranch guys and gals tend to ride a bit foreward so as to help their horse as much as possible and to stay off their back in tough situations.

I may have made this clear as mud, and would be glad for anyone else to wiegh in here. I think I am getting more in over my head in trying to clear this up. Help

It really doesn't matter, it is just that I feel sorta responsible for nr's anxiety about GW's toes!


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 10:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Putting George aside, why does the outer part of my knee hurt after riding?


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nr wrote:
Putting George aside, why does the outer part of my knee hurt after riding?


Possibly because the stirrups are twisting the lower part of your leg in, or maybe you are doing it without realizing it?


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 8:47 pm    Post subject: Good Western Book Reply with quote

While I was down with pnumonia, I read a great easy reading western called Appaloosa by Robert Parker. Some of you might enjoy the easy reading on this book. It was first book of Parker's I have ever read. I am on one called "The Wild Girl" about a half wild Mexican/Indian girl in 1932. It is kind of dark reading and I will let you know how it goes as I get further into it. Anybody got any suggestions for good new western books?

Warm regards to all, it was 107* yesterday here in Greeley but I guess it is hot everywhere.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nr wrote:
Putting George aside, why does the outer part of my knee hurt after riding?


Perhaps your horse is too fat/thick for you?

Could be the saddle or the way you are riding. How far did you ride.

Maybe just have to learn to ignore the pain, if you are in the older catagory. Meaning anything over 40! Shocked Laughing


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yey, Yey, Jingle.........
We're like a fine wine:


OLDER THE AGE, THE BETTER THE WINE Exclamation Exclamation Exclamation


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 3:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AMEN! I like them a little on the older side myself. I always womder what them old men with young woman talk about. After all, you got to rest sometime! Laughing


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 6:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I always wondered what or if they had a conversation and what it would be of Wink Rolling Eyes
What would a 60 year old man and a 30 year old women have in common to talk about??? Or vise versa??? Creeps me out!!!!!


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jinglebob wrote:
nr wrote:
Putting George aside, why does the outer part of my knee hurt after riding?


Perhaps your horse is too fat/thick for you?
Maybe I'm too thick period! Smile
Could be the saddle or the way you are riding. How far did you ride.
I only ride sporadically and then only an hour or two and my knees always bother me.
Maybe just have to learn to ignore the pain, if you are in the older catagory. Meaning anything over 40! Shocked Laughing

I never ignore pain if it can be corrected. Guess I can't ignore being way over 40 Say what? Given all your choices, I'll take that the horse is too thick!


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