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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 6:45 pm    Post subject: Question for anti-COOL people Reply with quote

I'd like any of you anti-COOL folks to explain something to me;

I've seen fast food chains selling "Angus burgers". I see restaurants mentioning on their menu that their steaks are Angus. I see Angus beef in the cooler (it costs more than the mystery beef right next to it). Obviously "Angus" would not be promoted by the food and grocery industries if it wasn't beneficial to sales. Yet, probably less than 1% of these consumers who are paying for Angus know a dang thing about an Angus - probably couldn't tell one from a Holstein. Why are they paying for "Angus" when they don't know a thing about the Angus breed?


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 8:10 pm    Post subject: COOL WILL have Labels TOO!!! Reply with quote

Beef producers not feeling "COOL" under the collar


The National Farmers Union, R-Calf USA, and the U.S. Cattlemen's Association aren't happy about the U.S. Department of Agriculture's implementation plans for mandatory "Country of Origin Labeling," also known as COOL.

The organizations believe that when plans for COOL were set during Farm Bill negotiations, American-produced beef would be segregated during packing and labeled as a product of the United States.

But it appears the USDA is willing to allow packers to circumvent COOL by labeling all beef products under the "multiple countries" category.

Sandy Courtnage of the MT Farmer's Union, said, "Our thought is that by doing that, U.S. producers will not get the benefit of a label...that says 'product of the USA' - period. And consumers won't have that choice and that bit of information."

The Farmers Union, R-Calf, and the Cattlemen's Association are asking Congress to remedy the situation before Country of Origin Labeling goes into effect on October 1st.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 7:18 am    Post subject: Re: COOL WILL have Labels TOO!!! Reply with quote

PORKER wrote:
Beef producers not feeling "COOL" under the collar


The National Farmers Union, R-Calf USA, and the U.S. Cattlemen's Association aren't happy about the U.S. Department of Agriculture's implementation plans for mandatory "Country of Origin Labeling," also known as COOL.

The organizations believe that when plans for COOL were set during Farm Bill negotiations, American-produced beef would be segregated during packing and labeled as a product of the United States.

But it appears the USDA is willing to allow packers to circumvent COOL by labeling all beef products under the "multiple countries" category.

Sandy Courtnage of the MT Farmer's Union, said, "Our thought is that by doing that, U.S. producers will not get the benefit of a label...that says 'product of the USA' - period. And consumers won't have that choice and that bit of information."

The Farmers Union, R-Calf, and the Cattlemen's Association are asking Congress to remedy the situation before Country of Origin Labeling goes into effect on October 1st.

I hope the big packers do that!


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 7:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We're getting off track here.....


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 7:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sandhusker wrote:
We're getting off track here.....

You're anticipating an answer to your question?! Wink


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 7:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RobertMac wrote:
Sandhusker wrote:
We're getting off track here.....

You're anticipating an answer to your question?! Wink


I'm trying to make a point that should be obvious, but breaking from indoctrination is nearly impossible for some folks.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 7:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sandhusker wrote:
We're getting off track here.....


Now that's funny! Laughing Laughing Getting off track in the Bull Session, nahhhhhhhhh say it ain't so! Shocked

Let's try back to centre for you Sadhusker.
How much of those Angus burgers are actually 100% Angus and who is enforcing/accountable for that.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 9:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Correct me if you can prove me wrong, but I believe the Certified Angus Beef (CAB) brand is verifiable as at least half Angus and has to meet standards for quality, such as above a certain USDA quality grade, among others. It has gained a reputation as very good beef. Isn't CAB also trademarked?

Obviously, some businesses are using that fact, plus the gullibility of some consumers, and calling their beef, which may or may not have similar or equal specifications or trademark status, "Angus".

IMO, that is comparable to a low price store in RobertMac or other 'branded' beef location calling their lower quality product by a very similar name and using a similar appearing label, possibly changed just enough to escape legal action....IF the other brand IS trademarked. In other words, an almost legal copy of a known and loved product.

COOL started out as a misleading law and it is ending by misleading!

Porker, what is the date of that 'story'? Weren't all those groups at the recent meeting in KC,MO where they all agreed on the final rules.......or is this another case of them agreeing, then changing their mind after the fact????

mrj


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 9:17 am    Post subject: Whoops ! Reply with quote

Mrj , according to press reports this morning ,they have changed their minds. Also after calling Congressman Bart Stupak this morning,he has found out this morning that someone at USDA that controls the interm Final rules changed the writing to favor FMI and the packers on this labeling issue.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 10:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mrj wrote:
Correct me if you can prove me wrong, but I believe the Certified Angus Beef (CAB) brand is verifiable as at least half Angus and has to meet standards for quality, such as above a certain USDA quality grade, among others. It has gained a reputation as very good beef. Isn't CAB also trademarked?

Obviously, some businesses are using that fact, plus the gullibility of some consumers, and calling their beef, which may or may not have similar or equal specifications or trademark status, "Angus".

IMO, that is comparable to a low price store in RobertMac or other 'branded' beef location calling their lower quality product by a very similar name and using a similar appearing label, possibly changed just enough to escape legal action....IF the other brand IS trademarked. In other words, an almost legal copy of a known and loved product.

COOL started out as a misleading law and it is ending by misleading!

Porker, what is the date of that 'story'? Weren't all those groups at the recent meeting in KC,MO where they all agreed on the final rules.......or is this another case of them agreeing, then changing their mind after the fact????

mrj


Hi MRJ, Just to clarify, CAB is not verifiable that it is at least half Angus. It does have to meet quality standards but absolutely does not have to be at least half Angus.

http://www.certifiedangusbeef.com/corp/about/What are the Certified Angus Beef ® brand specifications?
The process begins with only the highest quality, Angus-influenced cattle with predominantly (51%) solid black hair coat or AngusSource® genetic verification. Ten science-based quality specifications address beef flavor, tenderness and juiciness.


They dont have to have an ounce of Angus blood in them as long as they are black and meet the quality specs.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 10:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Correct me if you can prove me wrong, but I believe the Certified Angus Beef (CAB) brand is verifiable as at least half Angus


Nope. Not "verifiable" 1/2 ANY BREED!!!!!

Just meet the grading specs and be black, that's it. And many will tell you that have sold in to the CAB market, that some aren't even black. Rolling Eyes


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 18, 2008 11:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Correct me if you can prove me wrong, but I believe the Certified Angus Beef (CAB) brand is verifiable as at least half Angus


Nope. Not "verifiable" 1/2 ANY BREED!!!!!

Just meet the grading specs and be black, that's it. And many will tell you that have sold in to the CAB market, that some aren't even black. Rolling Eyes


Yep-- I've been told that just the black noses on the smokies can qualify them...
Its just that CAB did a fantastic advertising and marketing program- and we could be doing the same with the Checkoff funds and USA BEEF- if it wasn't for the Maxines and a few other old fogies in NCBA that are tied at the hips with AMI and generic beef...

Australia and Canada use checkoff funds to promote their countries beef- Lamb producers use sheep checkoff funds to promote US lamb- but beef has been hamstrung by the NCBA's old fashioned thinking and control of the checkoff.. Sad


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