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rancher
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rancher
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| I see I screwed up. 2 posts the same. Oh well, maybe Maxie will see one of them. Hi to the rest of you die hards.
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mrj
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Definitely missed you more than the pain that keeps me awake at night!
And you are a relief from the"Tweedle Dum (OT) and Tweedle Dee (Sandhusker) Twins' gibberish.
I will point out something you seem to have missed. The Mexicans won't need to label their beef, as your money will be funding that "Product of Mexico" label, one way or another.
And, since it will be their best quality which may surprise many people, it's not likely to sit on the grocers' shelves any longer than your best beef does!
What happens to US beef popularity when the best imported beef is rright beside some of the low quality beef that still does get produced in the USA, both 'proudly' labelled?????
So......welcome back.
mrj
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Oldtimer
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RobertMac
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| It's amazing how ALL the beef from Canada and Mexico is top quality and some USA producers love to point out that ONLY the USA has some low quality beef...of course it's not theirs!!!!!
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Sandhusker
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PPRM
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Location: NE Oregon
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| It's amazing how ALL the beef from Canada and Mexico is top quality and some USA producers love to point out that ONLY the USA has some low quality beef...of course it's not theirs!!!!! |
I sell my own beef..My sales have tripled in the last year.....Repeat customer after repeat customer....All saying it is the Best they have ever had...Sales have gone up even after raising my prices....
The recession? I chose not to participate.....
The small number I sell to Tyson, including some bought calves to keep an economy of scale...Are grading 85% choice...
I say this all not to be arrogant. I have worked hard to do this and get to this point... I have a ways to go yet.....But it is available to anyone willing to put the work in...
PPRM
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RobertMac
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| It's amazing how ALL the beef from Canada and Mexico is top quality and some USA producers love to point out that ONLY the USA has some low quality beef...of course it's not theirs!!!!! |
I sell my own beef..My sales have tripled in the last year.....Repeat customer after repeat customer....All saying it is the Best they have ever had...Sales have gone up even after raising my prices....
The recession? I chose not to participate.....
The small number I sell to Tyson, including some bought calves to keep an economy of scale...Are grading 85% choice...
I say this all not to be arrogant. I have worked hard to do this and get to this point... I have a ways to go yet.....But it is available to anyone willing to put the work in...
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"available to anyone willing to put the work in... "
And it doesn't have to be done the way you and I are doing it. Find an [independent] branded beef program that offers premiums for following a protocol and pays based on carcass yield and quality. Sell your bottom end to Tyson.
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RobertMac
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| PPRM, it just hit me that most here probably view you and I as they do Kit Pharo...oh well.
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burnt
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| PPRM, it just hit me that most here probably view you and I as they do Kit Pharo...oh well. |
Don't worry about how others see you. If it works for you, stick with it. Usually those who mock the most are those who are the most threatened.
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PPRM
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| Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 9:47 am Post subject: |
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| RobertMac wrote: |
| PPRM wrote: |
| RobertMac wrote: |
| It's amazing how ALL the beef from Canada and Mexico is top quality and some USA producers love to point out that ONLY the USA has some low quality beef...of course it's not theirs!!!!! |
I sell my own beef..My sales have tripled in the last year.....Repeat customer after repeat customer....All saying it is the Best they have ever had...Sales have gone up even after raising my prices....
The recession? I chose not to participate.....
The small number I sell to Tyson, including some bought calves to keep an economy of scale...Are grading 85% choice...
I say this all not to be arrogant. I have worked hard to do this and get to this point... I have a ways to go yet.....But it is available to anyone willing to put the work in...
PPRM |
"available to anyone willing to put the work in... "
And it doesn't have to be done the way you and I are doing it. Find a branded beef program that offers premiums for following a protocol and pays based on carcass yield and quality. Sell your bottom end to Tyson. |
I have actually decided at this point to avoid that.... Here is why...
About ten years ago, a friend was so excited..... He had changed his genetics and was excited about CAB Premiums... I asked him what he was getting and he figured the Average would be $15-50 a head....Ovr 300 head, that is nothing to sneeze at but.....
Also, I really got good at feeding and sorting calves. LOL, I had a Black Limousin calf hit CAB once.... Anyways, I was doing ok, but I notice the discounts for an odd one huge relative to small premiums for my overall... I worked and got better, stopped buying certaincalves, started selling others or donating them to Agape House... I am currently hitting about 85% choice on what I sell to Tyson...But....
I know guys in Oregon Country Beef...Guys in Painted Hills. I respect and admire both programs. But I notice by letting someone else do all that work, they are consistently talking $50-100 per head premiums....But....
So, depending on the calf, lets say in a program, I can feed out the cattle and get $1300-1400...That is retty good...But....
So, here I am on my own.... I am using a less efficient processor by Industry view..... I do have some stuff done like patties and Seasoned Meat..... After All Butchering Fees.... I am getting $1800-2200/ Head....
I can do the work and get $500-800/ head more than these other programs and I have ideas on how to change things and do even better....
Out of that 500-800, I do feel Marketing and my time take aout $300/head....
I see benefits of both ways and a lot of it depends upon the guys situation. Travel distance to the markets that can absor your numbers is a big one..Also, It takes a few years to get the numbers up on what you can sell and there is a learning curve...
LOL, BTW...My cattle do look a lot different than Pharo's, but my Feed Resources are as well. I make the last comment not to put him down. but to make a point..Look at what others do with a open mind and take home what will work for you. We all are in different situations...
PPRM
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RobertMac
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PPRM, you exposed a flaw I corrected...I should have said "independent branded beef program"...I wasn't talking about big packer 'in house' branded programs like CAB.
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| I know guys in Oregon Country Beef...Guys in Painted Hills. I respect and admire both programs. But I notice by letting someone else do all that work, they are consistently talking $50-100 per head premiums....But.... |
That's true (although there are some that say there isn't that much profit/head in the beef industry, much less just marketing), but, for those without easy access to markets, could still capture more profits working with this type of independent programs.
I'm a few hundred dollars short of your gross, but I'm selling at the bottom end or below for the grassfed market. My goal for now is to build a loyal customer base. My marketing this year was to send out an email to past customers to tell them it was time to book their beef. They are doing my marketing by word of mouth. I could easily double my sells, but first have to double my production...that will be another year because of my protocol.
Ditto the learning curve...
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| LOL, BTW...My cattle do look a lot different than Pharo's, but my Feed Resources are as well. I make the last comment not to put him down. but to make a point..Look at what others do with a open mind and take home what will work for you. We all are in different situations... |
That was my point about Kit...many discard what he says/does because they think he is trying to tell them how to run their operation...instead of doing as you say.
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Thank you Mrs. Greg for sharing 
Sure is greening up some of the hay meadows, improved pasture, and crescent wheat areas....