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PPRM
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That is an average gross on selling as cuts and selling sides....
I still do not understand the guys that say you have to do 500 head before selling cuts makes sense. As long as everyone buys into that, there is less competition for me, LOL...
I understand about the customer base vs raising rates.... I tend to be below everyone on Hamburger. I have a softnes for the retired couples that buy my meat being able to afford it.....
I tend to try to keep my lower ends affordable and raise value with innovation and unique things.... Cooking my own may be something in the works soon,
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mrj
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RobertMac, obviously that comment of yours refers to my point about low quality imported beef being unlikely to make it into US retail meat counters.
When have I ever said thta ALL beef from Canada or Mexico is top quality, or that ONLY the USA has low quality beef????
There are plenty in this country, some here, and some on their radio ads with their propaganda/auction market reports in SD who practially insist that there is no high quality IMPORTED beef and no low quality US beef. That attitude doesn't do the cattle/beef industry any good.
It would most likely be a pretty sure bet that little lower quality imported beef gets to the retail stores in the US. It seems more likely the low quality imported beef would be in hamburger, doesn't it?
There is a place for each grade level of beef if it is handled and marketed right. Those who produce better quality beef seem to get paid better for it.
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RobertMac
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| Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 6:54 am Post subject: |
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RobertMac, obviously that comment of yours refers to my point about low quality imported beef being unlikely to make it into US retail meat counters.
When have I ever said thta ALL beef from Canada or Mexico is top quality, or that ONLY the USA has low quality beef????
There are plenty in this country, some here, and some on their radio ads with their propaganda/auction market reports in SD who practially insist that there is no high quality IMPORTED beef and no low quality US beef. That attitude doesn't do the cattle/beef industry any good.
It would most likely be a pretty sure bet that little lower quality imported beef gets to the retail stores in the US. It seems more likely the low quality imported beef would be in hamburger, doesn't it?
There is a place for each grade level of beef if it is handled and marketed right. Those who produce better quality beef seem to get paid better for it.
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| What happens to US beef popularity when the best imported beef is rright beside some of the low quality beef that still does get produced in the USA, both 'proudly' labelled????? |
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PPRM
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Sorry, but that is a strectch of interpretation between what was said and what was interpretted,
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mrj
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RM, you 'spin machine' is slipping!!!!
Don't you think many consumers will want to blame someone if they have a poor eating experience with "Product of USA" labeled beef that is not as good as they thought it would be, even if their own cooking method is at fault?
The lower quality US or imported beef, IF HANDLED AND MARKETED RIGHT, can give consumers a satisfying and nutritious eating experience.
Have you ever eaten home canned beef? I have also eaten some good commercially canned beef, and it is wonderful for many meals whether chopped up for sandwiches or barbecues, or put into soups and stews or casseroles. Meals can be very quickly made in minutes and taste as if they had simmered or baked for hours.
There is no end of commercially prepared products that can be and are produced from lower quality meat.
There also are some of those tougher cuts sold without explanation of how to use them and many consumers are going to be very disappointed with their eating experience if they purchase it and prepare it improperly after reading or hearing that all US produced beef is superior quality.
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RobertMac
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Sorry, but that is a strectch of interpretation between what was said and what was interpretted,
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Being absurd to illustrate absurdity...it was sarcastic interpretation.
mrj, all beef is assumed to be USA beef now...even the low quality and 'bad eating experience' beef. I don't care for your implication that consumers will turn away from USA beef because of COOL. I want COOL so I will know that any food I buy is NOT FROM CHINA! We all know where their "produce and sell at lowest price" philosophy has their food quality and safety. Who else has the "produce and sell at lowest price" philosophy in the beef industry??????
And don't interpolate what you hear on the radio into what I say!
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mrj
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RobertMac, When did China start exporting beef to the USA????
Why do you fear the 3% of the beef in retail stores that is imported when you can sell your own superior product at a better price????
I didn't set the US low cost food policy, but do believe it has served society well. That is how we (even those of us producing ag products) who are not in the top 10% of income can afford our luxuries in life.
It seems logical that people in this country also have a diet of better quality and safer food than in most other countries, giving us value for our money.
Sure, it would be nice to be paid better, but we are improving on that, too, but not by asking someone what they will give us for the cattle!!!!
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Tex
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RobertMac, When did China start exporting beef to the USA????
Why do you fear the 3% of the beef in retail stores that is imported when you can sell your own superior product at a better price????
I didn't set the US low cost food policy, but do believe it has served society well. That is how we (even those of us producing ag products) who are not in the top 10% of income can afford our luxuries in life.
It seems logical that people in this country also have a diet of better quality and safer food than in most other countries, giving us value for our money.
Sure, it would be nice to be paid better, but we are improving on that, too, but not by asking someone what they will give us for the cattle!!!!
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mrj, more would be able to buy higher quality meat if the U.S. didn't have such poor trade balances. That money being shipped overseas and then back here to the U.S. in investments in tbills would make interest rates go a little higher, give a better return to the people wanting to save a little and maybe help push the labor market into providing the things we previously bought from China. The push on the labor market would invariably push wages higher and people could pay more for meat in the U.S.
It would help solve the savings problem and increase wages at home while allowing people buy more high quality beef and meals.
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PPRM
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RobertMac, When did China start exporting beef to the USA????
Why do you fear the 3% of the beef in retail stores that is imported when you can sell your own superior product at a better price????
I didn't set the US low cost food policy, but do believe it has served society well. That is how we (even those of us producing ag products) who are not in the top 10% of income can afford our luxuries in life.
It seems logical that people in this country also have a diet of better quality and safer food than in most other countries, giving us value for our money.
Sure, it would be nice to be paid better, but we are improving on that, too, but not by asking someone what they will give us for the cattle!!!!
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mrj, more would be able to buy higher quality meat if the U.S. didn't have such poor trade balances. That money being shipped overseas and then back here to the U.S. in investments in tbills would make interest rates go a little higher, give a better return to the people wanting to save a little and maybe help push the labor market into providing the things we previously bought from China. The push on the labor market would invariably push wages higher and people could pay more for meat in the U.S.
It would help solve the savings problem and increase wages at home while allowing people buy more high quality beef and meals. |
Tex.... The high majority of Beef, Domestic and Foriegn, is pretty easy to beat out. Trick is to not wait on Others. Things like Trade balances, Interest Rates, Foriegn Governments, Packer practices, Industry marketing.....
There are more people who can afford high quality Beef than you can Produce Tex... You can wait for everyone else to align things just right for you or take the initiative to do it yourself.... The rest is whining because someone elses milk seems sour to you,
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Ben Roberts
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| Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 9:15 am Post subject: |
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Why do you fear the 3% of the beef in retail stores that is imported when you can sell your own superior product at a better price???
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Maxine, you should fear that 3%, of the beef that is imported. That 3% will become 30% in the future!
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mrj
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Think about that, Ben. The USA has about 4% of the worlds consumers. Our export market has the other 96% of consumers. The populations of India and China represent populations of lower income people moving up and growing very fast in their desire for better lives which means more meat, for one thing.
Why are you so sure that our country is going to be inundated with beef exported from other nations?
SOME people in other nations are willing to pay more for the high dollar top quality beef we are known for producing.
MORE of the people in those nations are clamoring for the less expensive beef, and I believe our country can be effective in supplying both ends of that emerging market.
Doubtless, there will be beef from other countries also going into the middle to lower end markets overseas, but it doesn't seem really reasonable to expect a lot of increase in imports here, based partly on what beef imports to the USA have been doing this year, as well as our ability to produce the top quality grain fed beef many of our US consumers prefer, does it?
But then, I'm not into the blame game, conspiracies and ulterior motives by packers and corporate business to put US cattle producers out of business, either.
On the other hand, I have heard some liberal Democrats indicate that we should move such 'messy' business off shore to return our own environment to it's pristine origins.......so who knows what they will do to achieve that goal?????
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