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How will M Cool affect imported beef prices
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HAY MAKER
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 3:57 pm    Post subject: How will country of origin affect canadian beef prices Reply with quote

Its been a long 16 years of running battles,but Sept 30th, Country of origin is mandatory,that means the cattle man can finally demand his check off dollars are used to promote his product,just like the canadians have been doing for years.
I caint help but wonder how this change will affect imported beef prices,its been a long time coming,lots of hard fought battles,we can think R CAlf for this change,its my humble opinion it would have never happened without them.....................good luck




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PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I feel we will first have to get an Administration, Ag Secretary, and USDA leadership that again puts America first- and will actively support USA products instead of the current globalist thinking that has leaned heavily toward making everything "globally generic" even if the quality and the soundness of the imported product is greatly lacking....


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think this so called "globalization"scam has just about run its course,look at all the jobs we lost,and all the junk we get in return,when we trade...........it damn sure needs to benefit the United states people,not multinationals that just move to another country after they suck this one dry.
I hate to be labeled,but I caint think of one thing outside the USA borders,that is needed around here,most of the junk is about as reliable as a womans watch,add the fact we brought in tainted beef,if it was'nt for R Calf,USDA would still be comingling cattle we would be in a helluva mess.................good luck


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 7:16 pm    Post subject: COOL is HERE !!!! Reply with quote

Country of Origin has affected all hogs ,sheep,goats, and cattle coming into the US. All feeder pigs have coming in are gone. Packers don't know how to handle different origin of animals inside the packing plants. They can't afford a mistake because of the COOL law fines . Have you noticed the calf feeder price the last few weeks as it has been rising.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not voting on this one, because how it turns out depends on whether or not you guys can get your quality control up to snuff. Wink Keep up with the recalls and people will be looking for beef that is processed elsewhere.

Globalization? Who's behind that I wonder? Question Let me see, I think there are a number of American corporations right up at the front of the line, with Walmart at the lead, but far from alone. Shocked Shocked Shocked Does that mean America has been 'scamming' the rest of the world? Wink

We heard it here first! Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

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I caint think of one thing outside the USA borders,that is needed around here


Oil Cool

And some really good age verified, individually ID'd, traceable barley fed beef .............. Wink Wink Wink


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 7:29 pm    Post subject: You Betcha Reply with quote

And some really good age verified, individually ID'd, traceable barley fed beef .............. There is companies looking for BEEF if the seller uses ScoringAg traceback records for retail as ScoringAg does COOL record archiving at retail. Right here in Michigan !


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 17, 2008 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We have plenty of oil,right here in Texas,and the best way for us to control quality is control our borders...........no more of this tainted barley beef..................good luck


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Careful boys! COOL affects only either 5% or 20% of imported beef.

I've forgotten if the figure I read wass 5% or one fifth of imported beef.

Either way, it is a very small amount compared with the costs of doing the job.

It gives a false sense of food safety, being a marketing ploy rather than a true food safety issue.

What happens when consumers buy some of that tough old shoe leather Haymaker raises down there on his Mexican border ranch......and how do we know he isn't cheating on the real 'origin'????? If it isn't him, there sure are some US producers making some poor quality beef. Not everyone has the same quality cattle, after all, but northern raised (US, or Canadian for that matter) cattle have reputations as the best in the world.

BTW, it has been TECHNOLOGY and not globalization which has "taken" jobs in the USA.......and increasing their education and/or work habits will gain even better jobs for most all US workers losing their jobs. At least those who TRY to get better jobs.

Trade Agreements generally give us relief from excessive tariffs for US produced beef and other products we sell into other nations.......and I say it's about time!

Some in this country may not choose to buy products from overseas, but a lot of 'foreigners' want to buy our products, especially now that our dollar is lower value than previously.

Don't forget, according to the Sunday supplement magazines in some newspapers, numbers of millionaires are increasing fast in other nations, especially in CHina and Russia. Lets get those US products flowing to them!

Trade, not protectionism, is what makes the world a better place for all people.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mrj wrote:
Careful boys! COOL affects only either 5% or 20% of imported beef.

I've forgotten if the figure I read wass 5% or one fifth of imported beef.

Either way, it is a very small amount compared with the costs of doing the job.

It gives a false sense of food safety, being a marketing ploy rather than a true food safety issue.

What happens when consumers buy some of that tough old shoe leather Haymaker raises down there on his Mexican border ranch......and how do we know he isn't cheating on the real 'origin'????? If it isn't him, there sure are some US producers making some poor quality beef. Not everyone has the same quality cattle, after all, but northern raised (US, or Canadian for that matter) cattle have reputations as the best in the world.

BTW, it has been TECHNOLOGY and not globalization which has "taken" jobs in the USA.......and increasing their education and/or work habits will gain even better jobs for most all US workers losing their jobs. At least those who TRY to get better jobs.

Trade Agreements generally give us relief from excessive tariffs for US produced beef and other products we sell into other nations.......and I say it's about time!

Some in this country may not choose to buy products from overseas, but a lot of 'foreigners' want to buy our products, especially now that our dollar is lower value than previously.

Don't forget, according to the Sunday supplement magazines in some newspapers, numbers of millionaires are increasing fast in other nations, especially in CHina and Russia. Lets get those US products flowing to them!

Trade, not protectionism, is what makes the world a better place for all people.

mrj


Ole woman,you been listening to your packer buddies again aint you ?
Cool will affect all beef,you hide and watch, I dont think you ever figured out what Cool is all about,so I will give you a tip,tell your packer buddies running the check off,get ready to promote home grown beef.
And just what the hell would an ole woman like you know about Texas cattle ?
Now in all seriousness,you think long and hard about this and I quote.....( Trade, not protectionism, is what makes the world a better place for all people.)
Idiotic theories like this is why I dont waste alot of time on folks like you,truth be known you wouldnt even be here if there wasnt these so called protectionists giving their all for everyones right to fair trade,you think about that ole woman,and lay off the hooch...............good luck


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 6:23 pm    Post subject: COOL is HERE !!!! Reply with quote

It gives a false sense of food safety, being a marketing ploy rather than a true food safety issue. MRJ Quote

Traceback audits will prove the verified source of a animal.thus food safety.

Read the rules MRJ, It says that you have to maintain the integrity of the unique animal to meat ID

http://www.ams.usda.gov/COOL/records.htm


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a niece who worked in Texas for a number of years, and told me she couldn't wait to get home to Manitoba to have a good steak! Cool

Oh yea, and about that checkoff.... there is plenty of American beef in Canada, especially the east, and it benefits just fine from the Canadian checkoff.

I think the current shortage of beef we keep hearing about, combined with the bloom coming off the corn market is going to do more to help American beef prices than any label ever will. But of course, just like they blamed Canada for low prices the last time the cattle cycle was down, RCalf will take credit for the high cycle that is bound to come anyway. Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kato wrote:
I have a niece who worked in Texas for a number of years, and told me she couldn't wait to get home to Manitoba to have a good steak! Cool

Oh yea, and about that checkoff.... there is plenty of American beef in Canada, especially the east, and it benefits just fine from the Canadian checkoff.

I think the current shortage of beef we keep hearing about, combined with the bloom coming off the corn market is going to do more to help American beef prices than any label ever will. But of course, just like they blamed Canada for low prices the last time the cattle cycle was down, RCalf will take credit for the high cycle that is bound to come anyway. Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes


Well if your neice ever gets back to Texas,I will take her to a real steak house,then I would like to see her tell me that ole barley stuff is better,come on kato you know R Calf is the reason we got Cool,and it will strengthen the markets.
Whats wrong with the cattleman identifying his product,you been doing it years.................good luck


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