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Mike
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 8:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wonder if people could be vaccinated for the antagonistic effects of 0157:H7?


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wonder if humans could be vaccinated for 0157:H7?


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 18, 2008 12:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vaccinations are not the end all to disease. In fact, many of our vaccines are very likely responsibile for the resistance of bacteria to treatment.

And don't forget that these resistant strains of bacteria can also be created by "irradiating" the meat. This process is destroying the "radiosensitive" bacteria which can still be destroyed by the antibiotics; but, the "irradiation" process is mutating and aiding the growth of "radioresistant" bacteria like e coli 0157:H7.

Another likely contributor, is the genetically modified grains which we are feeding our livestock. These foreign genes are inserted into the new cells upon "metal nano-particles" via a "particle gun accelerator". Some scientists might use gold particles, but uranium works better because it is a DNA seeker.

The GM researchers also add genes to make the new plant cells "antibiotic resistant", that way they can tell which cells have successfully been "infected" with the new genetic material. They treat the cells in these petri dishes with an antibiotic and the cells that survive are good to go (GM cells) (the cells that die, were not modified). Don't you think this has an effect on the genetic material of the plants?

There is some indication that the "inserted genetic material" has successfully jumped from the GM plants to their consuming counter-parts (animals and humans). The bacteria in the gut would be affected by this also, making them change their expression of proteins etc.

But man is God, right! That's what so many of these researchers and doctors believe. And the average, everyday people are just going along with their delusional creations and plans of grandeur. Keep buying those GM grains and spreading the seeds of destruction.

OR

Your can eat whole foods, non GM foods, and for God's sake quite using chemicals on everything. Our immune systems are under attack from so many toxins and chemicals that MAN uses for his convenience, the last thing we need to be bombarded with is vaccines full of toxic metals, chemicals and foreign proteins/material.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 7:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Vaccinations are not the end all to disease. In fact, many of our vaccines are very likely responsibile for the resistance of bacteria to treatment.


Polio and smallpox come to mind. Were vaccinations responsible for their demise? yes or no?

Vaccinations are way to build a natural immunity to a particular bacteria/virus.

I fully agree with the concept.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mike wrote:
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Vaccinations are not the end all to disease. In fact, many of our vaccines are very likely responsibile for the resistance of bacteria to treatment.


Polio and smallpox come to mind. Were vaccinations responsible for their demise? yes or no?

Vaccinations are way to build a natural immunity to a particular bacteria/virus.

I fully agree with the concept.



I'm not sure about smallpox, but the Polio vaccine was not the demise of Polio!


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 8:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Mike wrote:
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Vaccinations are not the end all to disease. In fact, many of our vaccines are very likely responsibile for the resistance of bacteria to treatment.


Polio and smallpox come to mind. Were vaccinations responsible for their demise? yes or no?

Vaccinations are way to build a natural immunity to a particular bacteria/virus.

I fully agree with the concept.



I'm not sure about smallpox, but the Polio vaccine was not the demise of Polio!


Maybe demise was not the proper word, but we sure don't have Polio like we used too!! Because of vaccinations? Yes or no?

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In the last 15 years, the number of cases of polio worldwide has dropped spectacularly, going from 350,000 cases in 1988 when the Global Polio Eradication Initiative began to 1,940 in 2005 (data as of March 14, 2006). This eradication initiative, whose aim is to eliminate all cases due to the wild virus throughout the world, now has tools in place to rapidly stop polio transmission everywhere except Nigeria, where, as of June 2006, another 12 months will be required.

Polio is a unique disease in the history of medicine. In more than one instance, the fight against polio has given rise to an extraordinary public reaction and mobilization. The first polio vaccine, the injectable vaccine developed by Jonas Salk, was hailed as a breakthrough in medical research. Health care for polio victims has led to advances that have become standard practice in today's hospitals. In addition, the methods used to produce the polio vaccine revolutionized manufacturing techniques, which were then applied to other vaccines.

Smallpox, eradicated in 1977 through vaccination, was the first infectious disease to ever be eliminated from the planet. Today polio is on the verge of becoming the second such disease, eradicated thanks to the efforts of countless people.




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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 8:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sandhusker wrote:
I'd like to know why contaminated product leaves the building.


Because, contaminated animals are allowed to enter the building!


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 8:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mike wrote:
Ben Roberts wrote:
Mike wrote:
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Vaccinations are not the end all to disease. In fact, many of our vaccines are very likely responsibile for the resistance of bacteria to treatment.


Polio and smallpox come to mind. Were vaccinations responsible for their demise? yes or no?

Vaccinations are way to build a natural immunity to a particular bacteria/virus.

I fully agree with the concept.



I'm not sure about smallpox, but the Polio vaccine was not the demise of Polio!


Maybe demise was not the proper word, but we sure don't have Polio like we used too!! Because of vaccinations? Yes or no?

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In the last 15 years, the number of cases of polio worldwide has dropped spectacularly, going from 350,000 cases in 1988 when the Global Polio Eradication Initiative began to 1,940 in 2005 (data as of March 14, 2006). This eradication initiative, whose aim is to eliminate all cases due to the wild virus throughout the world, now has tools in place to rapidly stop polio transmission everywhere except Nigeria, where, as of June 2006, another 12 months will be required.

Polio is a unique disease in the history of medicine. In more than one instance, the fight against polio has given rise to an extraordinary public reaction and mobilization. The first polio vaccine, the injectable vaccine developed by Jonas Salk, was hailed as a breakthrough in medical research. Health care for polio victims has led to advances that have become standard practice in today's hospitals. In addition, the methods used to produce the polio vaccine revolutionized manufacturing techniques, which were then applied to other vaccines.

Smallpox, eradicated in 1977 through vaccination, was the first infectious disease to ever be eliminated from the planet. Today polio is on the verge of becoming the second such disease, eradicated thanks to the efforts of countless people.



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 10:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Worked for me...if I had not taken the polio vaccine, I would have been in a wheel chair...that's what the doctors told my mother.

Not sure if an E.Coli 0157:H7 vaccine would be the answer...can it be that specific?

Has anyone tested 0157:H7 levels with GM vs. non-GM corn?

Cornell U. showed that feeding hay for a few days before slaughter greatly reduced bacteria numbers in the digestive tract! Rolling Eyes

Kathy wrote:
...the "irradiation" process is mutating and aiding the growth of "radioresistant" bacteria like e coli 0157:H7.


I thought 0157:H7 was a product of acid rumen? Say what?


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="RobertMac"]Worked for me...if I had not taken the polio vaccine, I would have been in a wheel chair..


.that's what the doctors told my mother. quote]

Polio, is a virus disease that appears in cycles. Polio was at the top of its cycle, when the vaccine was developed, so with the reduction of infections, the vaccine was seen as a cure for the disease.

I'm not going to deny that some Polio victims died, from complications of Polio, but the vaccine was the killer not the disease.

I believe that before the development of any vaccine, we should understand and know the cycle of the virus/bacteria, and then we can control the virus/bacteria in a natural way. Other than paying some pharmaceutical company millions, for the development of a vaccine.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ben Roberts wrote:
Sandhusker wrote:
I'd like to know why contaminated product leaves the building.


Because, contaminated animals are allowed to enter the building!


So are animals with hair, mud, manure....


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 19, 2008 1:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sandhusker wrote:
Ben Roberts wrote:
Sandhusker wrote:
I'd like to know why contaminated product leaves the building.


Because, contaminated animals are allowed to enter the building!


So are animals with hair, mud, manure....


When was the first E-Coli problem found ? We have been slaughtering cattle in large packing plants for over 150 years.


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