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PostPosted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 10:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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RM, you didn't define your problem with your small packing plant. Is it as simple as Tyson insisting that inspections be equal? That is the law, you know. And your problem with your small packer obviously is a STATE problem, not a national one. Small packers in SD and probably other states probably aren't affected by Tyson. Small packers in SD HAVE been affected to a degree by some other small, federal inspected packers who do not want state inspected beef sold interstate, even though state inspection in SD is probably superior to (due to slow processing at smaller plants), or certainly equal to, the federal inspection.


As usual, you nothing about what you talk about.
How many times have I said that I have...HAD Mad ...a USDA label?????

When a friend of mine help get our processor set up to do USDA inspected poultry, Tyson did everything they could possibly do to stop them. It took state legislators involvement to make our Ag Dept. FOLLOW THE LAW!!!!


RM, this is very concerning. Tyson is using the USDA as a barrier to entry to competitors.

Some people in the USDA need to be in the PENN.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobody is even hiding this fact. Remember what they said about Creekstone? "You can't do it because then somebody else might have to do it". Unbelievable. The USDA/big packer relationship is at rediculous levels - and yet there are a whole lot of people who can't see it.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 11:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And none of its going to change for the better-- the nonenforcement of the PSA, nonenforcement of COOL, the buyout of our feeding and packing industry by multinational and foreign government backed Conglomerates, the biased support/advantages of the multinationals over the small domestic packers, the continued sell out of our sovereignty/industry thru inequitable Free Trade agreements, the total throwing out of the rule of Law in America, which will continue the sell out of the family farmer/rancher, --- and it will only get worse- as long as we keep electing in the same-o same-o politicians in the White House and Congress who's policy and principles are decided by their ties to Big Money- and whichever Big Money Lobbyist waves the most money in their face..... Sad


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 1:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oldtimer wrote:
And none of its going to change for the better-- the nonenforcement of the PSA, nonenforcement of COOL, the buyout of our feeding and packing industry by multinational and foreign government backed Conglomerates, the biased support/advantages of the multinationals over the small domestic packers, the continued sell out of our sovereignty/industry thru inequitable Free Trade agreements, the total throwing out of the rule of Law in America, which will continue the sell out of the family farmer/rancher, --- and it will only get worse- as long as we keep electing in the same-o same-o politicians in the White House and Congress who's policy and principles are decided by their ties to Big Money- and whichever Big Money Lobbyist waves the most money in their face..... Sad


Tell me who won't sell out for all the above.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Nobody is even hiding this fact. Remember what they said about Creekstone? "You can't do it because then somebody else might have to do it". Unbelievable. The USDA/big packer relationship is at rediculous levels - and yet there are a whole lot of people who can't see it.


It could be ferreted out but the politicians might lose their piggy bank. If they did it, they might regain their integrity.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RobertMac, keep your cool! You gave no details of the problem and the fact of your having a USDA label isn't really relevant to the problem of the poultry inspection you cite now, is it? I stated your problem before you did. It WAS an in-state problem!

It seems to be a problem of Tyson influencing people within your state Ag Department, rather than a USDA malfeasance, from what you wrote. Tyson was not successful. End of story, other than possibly using it to encourage people in other states to make their own bureaucrats follow the law if they have a similar problem.

Porker, some consumers HAVE been buying USA born and raised and processed beef and other products from producers who go to the extra expense of selling their own beef as is done by RobertMac, PPRM, Ranchers Renaissance beef at Super Valu stores, and many others. COOL will simply make more competition (funded by all of us!) for those who have already funded their own 'label'.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 19, 2008 8:21 am    Post subject: Affidavits caused this ! Reply with quote

Farm groups seek to end COOL loophole
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By Robert Pore
The Grand Island Independent
Posted Sep 18, 2008 @ 10:12 PM

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GRAND ISLAND — With the new county-of-origin labeling rules going into effect Oct. 1, a number of farm groups are concerned about a loophole in the law that gives consumers false information about the source of meat products sold at retail.

According to the Nebraska Farm Bureau, a COOL proposal would allow packers to label meat from animals born, raised and slaughtered entirely in the United States as if it came from multiple countries, such as "Product of the United States, Canada and Mexico."

That defeats the purpose and eliminates premiums livestock producers might receive for their entirely domestic product, said Nebraska Farm Bureau President Keith Olsen.


He said provisions in the Interim Final Rule for mandatory COOL allow muscle cuts of meat (meats that are not ground) that are produced entirely in the U.S. to carry the multiple country label as a convenience and cost savings for meatpackers.

Olsen said the documentation and meat processing required for the multiple country label is significantly less than for meat products with the "all U.S." label.

Cargill, JBS Swift and Tyson told livestock producers this week they would use the multiple origin label on muscle cuts, according to Nebraska Farm Bureau.

"Nearly 90 percent of the muscle cuts that are processed in the U.S. originate from cattle that are born, raised and slaughtered in the U.S.," Olsen said. "There's plenty of documentation to prove this. If packers use the ’multiple country' label unnecessarily, it will give consumers a false perception that there is little to no beef available to them that is entirely produced and processed in this country."

National Farmers Union also has expressed disappointment in the USDA's interpretation of the COOL provision in the 2008 Farm Bill. NFU is urging the department to immediately reinterpret the provision.

"The law clearly states that products born, raised and slaughtered in the United States are to be labeled as a product of the United States. Despite this clear language, USDA's rules will allow packers to label exclusively American products with those from other countries," NFU President Tom Buis said.

Buis said the farm bill language explicitly states meat from exclusively born, raised and processed U.S. animals cannot be used in the multiple country category.

"USDA has created a loophole big enough to drive a truck through, violating the spirit, letter and intent of the law and deceiving consumers who have consistently shown support for buying U.S. products," Buis said. "This is about truth in labeling."

R-CALF USA President/Region VI Director Max Thornsberry said that if the provision isn't changed before the law takes effect on Sept. 30, "... then USDA's actions will accomplish what the multinational meatpackers have been after all along: a North American meat label that would make it impossible to differentiate beef produced from U.S. cattle from beef that comes from foreign cattle."

"Unfortunately, the IFR would enable multinational packers to continue selling to unsuspecting consumers lower quality beef that may well have been imported from countries that are allowed to use antibiotics and pesticides that are banned from use in cattle here in the United States," Thornsberry said.

Olsen said Congress adopted the COOL program to provide an accurate label of the origin of meat products, giving consumers as much information as possible about the source of their food. He said the program was spurred by illness traced to imported meat products and demand by international customers for certification of the origin of meat products.

"Allowing the multiple country label makes the program less useful to both consumers and livestock farmers," Olsen said.

He's calling on Secretary of Agriculture Ed Schafer to modify the Interim Final Rule to encourage packers to maintain the born, raised and slaughtered in the U.S. label for meats as they move to the retailer.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 11:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="mrj"]Ben, it is your interpretation of that documentation, and others may not agree with you.




Maxine, it was not my interpretation of the documentation, it was the Justice Departments recommendation, to the Federal Trade Commission.




Re. the marinades, I've previously mentioned the taste testing at NCBA meetings of marinated beef made after research by Dr. Duane Wulf at SDSU (not sure if the school is correct but the rest is). I have no idea what product you refer to, but believe you are incorrect about the one I mention.

How about nitrates.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 11:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="mrj"] I believe if you would check with non-liberal sources, you would find you are not correct about people and changing income levels in the USA. Try Forbes.

Maxine, I don't have to check with non-liberal sources. I just open my eyes and look-around. Look at Forbes today, and then tell me, that the people of this country are better off.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ben, when have even the 'poor' among us had so many luxuries? There are very few houses without TV's, cell phones, current style clothes, you name it, it is in MOST homes. Even many of the single parent homes are included here. Granted, some luxuries may have been gifts from family members (read parents here).

Statistics are against you, too, from what I've read.

Yes, maybe people work more hours and the 'families' probably have two people working........but, wasn't that always so? It just used to be that the woman who 'worked' was simply 'helping out' on the farm at no pay. Oh, she may have 'helped' pretty much full time outside, but it wasn't always recognized, and didn't have her own income in most cases.

I know it isn't easy for many people, including myself, to cope with rising prices, but on a world scale, even the poorest in this country have much.

Our low and middle income people CAN and DO move up the scale. Maybe not so easily if they have the bad luck of ill health or divorce or bad habits, or dislike of working very long hours that hold them back.

mrj


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 10:35 am    Post subject: Yes sir re Reply with quote

Senator McCaskill concerned over implementation of "COOL" rule in Farm Bill
Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 3:52 PM
By Steve Walsh
Senator Claire McCaskill (D-MO) is venting her frustration over what she sees as the wrong way in which Country of Origin Labeling rules for meat and other agricultural goods are being observed.

The Country of Origin Labeling - or COOL - requirements are part of the 2008 Farm Bill and are scheduled to take effect October 1st. McCaskill says the U.S. Agriculture Department is defying the will of Congress by allowing multi-country labeling to replace labeling which would make clear beef or poultry products are from the United States.
McCaskill has written Agriculture Secretary Ed Schafer to express her concerns over the interpretation of COOL, saying the U.S. should not be lumped with Canada and Mexico.

Affidavits without some form of induvidual animal ID back to a package ID of beef will never be able to be sold as born, raised, or processed in the United States. These will be unmarketable beef under COOL.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2008 6:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mrj wrote:
Ben, when have even the 'poor' among us had so many luxuries? There are very few houses without TV's, cell phones, current style clothes, you name it, it is in MOST homes. Even many of the single parent homes are included here. Granted, some luxuries may have been gifts from family members (read parents here).

MRJ, they have all these luxeries because of credit. How many poor amoung us have credit cards to the limit? Why do you think we are having the crisis we have now? Too many people want it now before they have money to pay for it. So they put it on credit, then before they pay it off they want more, so they put it on credit. Take away all credit cards and see how well these poor among us would live.
Statistics are against you, too, from what I've read.

Yes, maybe people work more hours and the 'families' probably have two people working........but, wasn't that always so? It just used to be that the woman who 'worked' was simply 'helping out' on the farm at no pay. Oh, she may have 'helped' pretty much full time outside, but it wasn't always recognized, and didn't have her own income in most cases.

I know it isn't easy for many people, including myself, to cope with rising prices, but on a world scale, even the poorest in this country have much.

Our low and middle income people CAN and DO move up the scale. Maybe not so easily if they have the bad luck of ill health or divorce or bad habits, or dislike of working very long hours that hold them back.

mrj


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