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PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 12:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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FACT: people still are moving up out of the low income levels and mid income people still are moving up to higher income levels in this country so many liberals love to tell us is going to hell in a handbasket!

You are correct, there is not a lack of people with income high enough to afford to buy beef...what is lacking is people willing to spend their money for beef. Until you figure out why that is, it doesn't matter how cheap you produce beef.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RobertMac wrote:
mrj wrote:
FACT: people still are moving up out of the low income levels and mid income people still are moving up to higher income levels in this country so many liberals love to tell us is going to hell in a handbasket!

You are correct, there is not a lack of people with income high enough to afford to buy beef...what is lacking is people willing to spend their money for beef. Until you figure out why that is, it doesn't matter how cheap you produce beef.


Do you have any idea how far that is over her head? Laughing Laughing Laughing


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 9:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="mrj"]
FACT: people still are moving up out of the low income levels and mid income people still are moving up to higher income levels in this country so many liberals love to tell us is going to hell in a handbasket!

Maxine, FACT: today there are more people moving from mid and higher income levels, to lower income levels in this country, than since the 30s.



Ben, be brave. Be specific. What are those 'nasty' ingredients in "marinated sauce"? Which companies are disguising tainted beef and how are they able to successfully achieve that deed? Doesn't reason and experience tell us off flavors from truly tainted beef would be very hard to disguise?




I ask you to do the research Maxine, I have, you would believe your own research, or maybe not!



Sorry Ben, but I don't agree with your views that the Checkoff isn't working for producers. Are you telling us that a few packers are smarter than all the producers who run the Checkof and are manipulating them to do packer biddingf???? Better bring some verifiable specifics if you want anyone other than a few R-CALF clones to believe that!!!!!


Thats not what I said! I ask why should producers check-off-dollars, be paying to develop products for the packers.

Yes the packers are smarter than the producers, and the government, when it comes to the promotion of their products, and who pays for that promotion. Again look back through history starting with the Meat Inspection Act of 1906. J.O.Armour even said that the Meat Inspection Act was the greatest form of advertisement the packers ever had, and the tax payers are still paying that bill. That is only one "verifiable specific" that you and the NCBA clones won't believe.

" A truths initial commotion is directly proportional to how deeply the lie was believed. When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic" Dresden James.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The truth hurts---that is how we know we don't have it.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry boys, I'm just not into conspiracy theories.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mrj wrote:
Sorry boys, I'm just not into conspiracy theories.


mrj


mrj, we already know your religion. You tell us all the time!


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 10:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mrj wrote:
Sorry boys, I'm just not into conspiracy theories.


mrj


Conspiracy theories, where do you find a conspiracy in what i've said, when it's all documented by the Justice Department for the Federal Trade Commission.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 6:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mrj wrote:
Sorry boys, I'm just not into conspiracy theories.


mrj

When Tyson takes an interest in a small plant in Mississippi and has input to how the state FSIS deals with that plant, it's obviously a conspiracy, but certainly not a theory. I hope you are happy in your Kool-aid filled bubble...unfortunately, too many other producers are in there with you.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 12, 2008 3:25 pm    Post subject: Watered Down !!! Reply with quote

USCA urges producers to file comments on COOL final policy rule by Sept. 30


Friday, September 12, 2008 12:26 PM MDT




The U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) published its Interim Final Rule for Country of Origin Labeling (COOL) in the Aug. 1 Federal Register. The agency is accepting public comment until Sept. 30.

The U.S. Cattlemen's Association (USCA) COOL Committee Chair, Danni Beer, South Dakota is urging livestock producers and producer groups across the country to file comments.

“It is crucial for livestock producers to be engaged in shaping the Final Rule for COOL. We have an opportunity with the public comment period to close some loopholes in the agency's proposed rule,” said Beer. “Producers can do so by filing comments including suggested changes in the rule as well as stating their appreciation for provisions they support.

During a meeting with USDA officials U.S. Cattlemen's Association leadership learned that it is just as important to tell the agency what we like about the rule as well as what we want to see changed.”



USCA found the following provisions of the Interim Final Rule beneficial for cattle producers and beef consumers:

1. Ground beef and hamburger will have to be labeled by its country of origin (COO). All possible countries must be listed. Under the Interim Final Rule, USDA actually expanded the products requiring labeling.



2. The Chain of Custody requirement was removed. In the first COOL rule USDA required that retailers keep records regarding the “chain of custody” for all covered commodities.

3. Retailers can rely on manufac-turer/first handler's labels to establish the product's origin.

4. A producer affidavit shall be considered acceptable evidence on which the slaughter facility may rely to initiate the origin claim, provided it is made by someone having first-hand knowledge of the origin of the animal(s) and identifies the animals unique to the transaction.

5. The rule doesn't preempt state laws on foods not covered under this law; i.e., Alaskan salmon.

6. The rule does NOT require a mandatory animal identification system.

USCA also found areas that could be problematic for cattle producers and consumers:

1. Under the multiple countries of origin portion of the law it is specific that the multiple country label can only be used for meat that is NOT exclusively born, raised and slaughtered in the U.S. The regulations do not contain this specific instruction.

This may allow packers to list meat exclusively born, raised and processed in the U.S. to be labeled “product of the U.S., county “X” and country “Y”.

Writing the rule this way allows the beef production chain to continue processing beef without separation of beef by country of origin. For cost reasons plants that process beef from more than one country will benefit.

USCA leadership was told this decision was made on the basis that rules are written to be the least restrictive to business. On a positive note, consumers will have more information than they do now about the origin of their beef if this provision is not altered.

“Will retailers and consumers ask for more information about the products involved under this provision,” asked Beer. “We certainly hope they will ask for USA-born and raised beef after they are given this additional information.

Part of our job as producers is to promote our product, and that's a responsibility we must assume through our beef checkoff or other means, if necessary.”

2. The “processed food” provision is too broad. This part of the rule doesn't affect beef as much as some of the other covered commodities. For example, 95% of peanuts will not be labeled under the Interim Final Rule because USDA considers “roasted” peanuts as a processed food item. This provision in the rule is far too inclusive to be of much benefit to consumers who want to make informed purchasing decisions.

View the 233 page Final Interim Rule at www.uscattlemen.org. On the page, click on the COOL Library and then click on the Rules button in the upper left hand corner.

Comments on the rule should be sent to USDA COOL Program, Docket No. AMS-LS-07-0081, Room 2607-S, AMS USDA Stop 0254, 1400 Independence Ave. SW, Washington, DC 20250-0254 or comments can be faxed to 202/354-3693 referencing Docket No. AMS-LS-07-0081.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 7:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ben, it is your interpretation of that documentation, and others may not agree with you. I believe if you would check with non-liberal sources, you would find you are not correct about people and changing income levels in the USA. Try Forbes.

Re. the marinades, I've previously mentioned the taste testing at NCBA meetings of marinated beef made after research by Dr. Duane Wulf at SDSU (not sure if the school is correct but the rest is). I have no idea what product you refer to, but believe you are incorrect about the one I mention.

Re. checkoff dollars "developing products for packers"......doesn't the sale of MORE beef benefit producers? I believe it does, you don't, apparently. The development of different uses for shoulder clod may benefit packers, but it definitely benefits anyone selling cattle/beef.

Tex, my religion is Christianity, and my church is ELCA, which you obviously did not KNOW! Apparently what you KNOW comes from a crystal ball just like some others who like to bash me on this site when they don't have a valid point.

RM, you didn't define your problem with your small packing plant. Is it as simple as Tyson insisting that inspections be equal? That is the law, you know. And your problem with your small packer obviously is a STATE problem, not a national one. Small packers in SD and probably other states probably aren't affected by Tyson. Small packers in SD HAVE been affected to a degree by some other small, federal inspected packers who do not want state inspected beef sold interstate, even though state inspection in SD is probably superior to (due to slow processing at smaller plants), or certainly equal to, the federal inspection.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mrj wrote:
RM, you didn't define your problem with your small packing plant. Is it as simple as Tyson insisting that inspections be equal? That is the law, you know. And your problem with your small packer obviously is a STATE problem, not a national one. Small packers in SD and probably other states probably aren't affected by Tyson. Small packers in SD HAVE been affected to a degree by some other small, federal inspected packers who do not want state inspected beef sold interstate, even though state inspection in SD is probably superior to (due to slow processing at smaller plants), or certainly equal to, the federal inspection.


As usual, you nothing about what you talk about.
How many times have I said that I have...HAD Mad ...a USDA label?????

When a friend of mine help get our processor set up to do USDA inspected poultry, Tyson did everything they could possibly do to stop them. It took state legislators involvement to make our Ag Dept. FOLLOW THE LAW!!!!


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 13, 2008 9:27 am    Post subject: You Betcha Reply with quote

We certainly hope consumers will ask for USA-born and raised and processed beef or any other covered COOL meat.


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