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codymccue
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Joined: 20 Feb 2008
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Location: by a crik in Saskatchewan
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| done em kinda that way myself but I make a spade hole and put one of them dang rocks into the hole to butt the brace against.Gotta use those stones for something and they don't seem to rot...
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Big Swede
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Location: South Dakota
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Since I got my cost share on all my cross fencing and started building this kind of bracing system I wouldn't do it any other way. I have built a lot of H braces with deadmen in my day but it seems like your wires that you put down into the ground will always break or rust through eventually and there goes the strength of your corner.
They are easy and fast to build too.
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George
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Joined: 29 May 2005
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Location: Knightstown, Indiana
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Never saw anything like this before - - - I like the idea! I have tried diagonal braces before but had problems with the end post lifting out of the ground - - - would this be a problem???
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Ben H
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Location: Gorham, ME
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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| I had the same problem with the diagnol causing the end to lift, I don't anticipate this being a problem with the floating brace because of the wire on the bottom.
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cedardell
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| Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 7:17 pm Post subject: I've done this before |
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| But the ground end of the beace needs to go in the concrete, not on top of it. As soon as somehting pushes on it you've lost it. Sounds like something the NRCS would come up with. None of them ever fenced in a cow or handled bull poop.
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OLD MULE
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Joined: 23 May 2008
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Location: where ever I park my trailer
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| Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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Same concept, but at the end of the brace, I dug a hole for it to go into, then placed a piece of treated 2x6 for the brace to butt against.
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That is what I always called them. minus the concrete.
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Ben H
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Joined: 20 Mar 2006
Posts: 498
Location: Gorham, ME
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| Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 8:06 pm Post subject: Re: I've done this before |
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| But the ground end of the beace needs to go in the concrete, not on top of it. As soon as somehting pushes on it you've lost it. Sounds like something the NRCS would come up with. None of them ever fenced in a cow or handled bull poop. |
I disagree that it needs to go in the concrete. Jim Gerrish's instructions say to use a flat rock, disc blade or concrete slab. From the two prototypes I've built you have to work to move it. Also, with the shock my fence charger puts out, not much will be rubbing on it. NRCS didn't care for this design for barbed wire,
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sandhiller
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Joined: 27 Apr 2005
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Location: cody nebraska
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| Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 6:19 pm Post subject: Brace |
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| you better use a really heavy post on the end or it would pop right out of the ground (in my ground anyhow). It may take a little time but in a few years the post will be moving up. The braces are the most important part of the fence. If you are going to all the trouble to put in cement, why not build a h brace with a anchor and never have it give. Don't do the lazy way and just tie the brace wire at ground level to the post either, that is kind of like pissing into the wind, I see people doing that all the time and that pops the end post right out of the ground. Result is loose fence and spending time to rebuild the corner.
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Ben H
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Joined: 20 Mar 2006
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Location: Gorham, ME
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| Posted: Sun May 25, 2008 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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| I came up with the floating brace from Powerflex, they swear by it and so does Jim Gerrish.
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4Diamond
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Location: Missouri
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| Posted: Tue May 27, 2008 7:00 am Post subject: |
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| Floating brace is fine for single or 2 strand electric wire but I sure wouldn't do it for 3 or more wires. On a side note I live about 8 miles from powerflex.
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TXTibbs
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Joined: 09 Apr 2005
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Location: South Central Texas, former South Dakotan
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Ben H
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Location: Gorham, ME
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No, it isn't something the NRCS came up with, they aren't smart enough to think of something new. I think it came from New Zealand. Putting the brace into concrete totally defeats the purpose of this brace. It saves time and materials over an H brace. When I asked NRCS about it they did find that they're experience in the country shows it doesn't work well for barbed wire, that I can understand. But, I've never bought a roll of barbed wire and never will.
The following is from the Beef Cattle Handbook, Fence Systems for Grazing Management, 2. Permanent Electric Fence Materials, by Jim Gerrish when he was working at U of Missouri.
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This corner will be adequate for up to 5 hi-tensile
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If you haven't heard Jim Gerrish speak you're really missing out. I've heard him speak 3 times and it's not enough.
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