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CattleArmy
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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You whining ass liberals beat all I ever saw. I'm grateful for the opportunity to buy gasoline at four bucks. Beats the hell out of walking and plowing with mules. Gas was underpriced for WAY too long and nobody cared then.

As long as selfish Americans could drive what they wanted and go everywhere they wanted to go, they were all too happy to burn gas like they stole it - which they effectively did. Now it's time to pay the fiddler.

ExxonMobil has averaged paying $27,000,000,000 in taxes over the last three years. Twenty seven f'ing BILLION dollars. But that's not enough for some of you whiners, is it?


What are you on today Twisted? Rolling Eyes

You honestly think the fuel situation is not out of control? You must be ranching way more effective then we are if haying season approaching and the price of fuel doesn't have you concerned. You go ahead and be grateful to be buying overpriced gas, milk, health insurance, and other necessities and I'll keep wondering why the federal government is spending to much money in other areas and not trying to reform some of our own problems.


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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Texan wrote:
Soapweed wrote:
Oldtimer wrote:
Texan wrote:
You whining ass liberals beat all I ever saw. I'm grateful for the opportunity to buy gasoline at four bucks. Beats the hell out of walking and plowing with mules. Gas was underpriced for WAY too long and nobody cared then.

As long as selfish Americans could drive what they wanted and go everywhere they wanted to go, they were all too happy to burn gas like they stole it - which they effectively did. Now it's time to pay the fiddler.

ExxonMobil has averaged paying $27,000,000,000 in taxes over the last three years. Twenty seven f'ing BILLION dollars. But that's not enough for some of you whiners, is it?


The question being asked around here is-- where is the $3 calves Say what?

Thats about what it would take to bring ranching income back up to comparable with 3-4 years ago before inflation/oil profiteering hit- and we were only getting $1...


Life ain't always fair. Otherwise you and I could have both been born in some Third World country instead of in the great cattle country of the USA. Rolling Eyes


That is so true, Soapweed. Most of the people in this world would LOVE to have our 'problems.'



Aww isn't that just sweet people who NEVER complain about anything. Just loving the whole situation.


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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CattleArmy wrote:
Texan wrote:
Soapweed wrote:
Oldtimer wrote:
Texan wrote:
You whining ass liberals beat all I ever saw. I'm grateful for the opportunity to buy gasoline at four bucks. Beats the hell out of walking and plowing with mules. Gas was underpriced for WAY too long and nobody cared then.

As long as selfish Americans could drive what they wanted and go everywhere they wanted to go, they were all too happy to burn gas like they stole it - which they effectively did. Now it's time to pay the fiddler.

ExxonMobil has averaged paying $27,000,000,000 in taxes over the last three years. Twenty seven f'ing BILLION dollars. But that's not enough for some of you whiners, is it?


The question being asked around here is-- where is the $3 calves Say what?

Thats about what it would take to bring ranching income back up to comparable with 3-4 years ago before inflation/oil profiteering hit- and we were only getting $1...


Life ain't always fair. Otherwise you and I could have both been born in some Third World country instead of in the great cattle country of the USA. Rolling Eyes


That is so true, Soapweed. Most of the people in this world would LOVE to have our 'problems.'



Aww isn't that just sweet people who NEVER complain about anything. Just loving the whole situation.


As my mother used to say, "Some people would gripe if they were hung with a new rope." Wink


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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Soapweed wrote:
CattleArmy wrote:
Texan wrote:
Soapweed wrote:
Oldtimer wrote:
Texan wrote:
You whining ass liberals beat all I ever saw. I'm grateful for the opportunity to buy gasoline at four bucks. Beats the hell out of walking and plowing with mules. Gas was underpriced for WAY too long and nobody cared then.

As long as selfish Americans could drive what they wanted and go everywhere they wanted to go, they were all too happy to burn gas like they stole it - which they effectively did. Now it's time to pay the fiddler.

ExxonMobil has averaged paying $27,000,000,000 in taxes over the last three years. Twenty seven f'ing BILLION dollars. But that's not enough for some of you whiners, is it?


The question being asked around here is-- where is the $3 calves Say what?

Thats about what it would take to bring ranching income back up to comparable with 3-4 years ago before inflation/oil profiteering hit- and we were only getting $1...


Life ain't always fair. Otherwise you and I could have both been born in some Third World country instead of in the great cattle country of the USA. Rolling Eyes


That is so true, Soapweed. Most of the people in this world would LOVE to have our 'problems.'



Aww isn't that just sweet people who NEVER complain about anything. Just loving the whole situation.


As my mother used to say, "Some people would gripe if they were hung with a new rope." Wink


Yep- and some folks question the actions of their leadership and representatives - and expect them to earn/prove the trust put into them- while others blindly backslap.... Wink Laughing


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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CattleArmy wrote:
I'll keep wondering why the federal government is spending to much money in other areas and not trying to reform some of our own problems.


How do you propose the spend your and my money so as to save me and you money at the gas pumps?

You see what the government does to solve dependency on oil, they prop up ethanol taking food out of people, and livestock's mouth to turn it into fuel. Rolling Eyes

If you keep the government out of things and let the consumer decided when enough is enough, things will be a lot better.

But I know for Liberals that is a hard thing to do, you never learned to cut your own meat and want uncle Sam to keep doing it for you. Rolling Eyes


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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I cut my own meat just fine.


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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2008 7:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CattleArmy wrote:
Texan wrote:
You whining ass liberals beat all I ever saw. I'm grateful for the opportunity to buy gasoline at four bucks. Beats the hell out of walking and plowing with mules. Gas was underpriced for WAY too long and nobody cared then.

As long as selfish Americans could drive what they wanted and go everywhere they wanted to go, they were all too happy to burn gas like they stole it - which they effectively did. Now it's time to pay the fiddler.

ExxonMobil has averaged paying $27,000,000,000 in taxes over the last three years. Twenty seven f'ing BILLION dollars. But that's not enough for some of you whiners, is it?


What are you on today Twisted? Rolling Eyes

You honestly think the fuel situation is not out of control? You must be ranching way more effective then we are if haying season approaching and the price of fuel doesn't have you concerned. You go ahead and be grateful to be buying overpriced gas, milk, health insurance, and other necessities and I'll keep wondering why the federal government is spending to much money in other areas and not trying to reform some of our own problems.


ArmyBoots, I don't necessarily like the price of gas any more than you do. But I made adjustments a LONG time ago to cut down. I didn't wait until it was too late. Nor did I expect the government to fix things for me. Life is full of challenges. The price of gas is just one of many challenges - and FAR from being one of the most important. Wink


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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2008 7:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CattleArmy wrote:
I cut my own meat just fine.

Could you provide some pics of you doing that? Please? Laughing


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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2008 7:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some of you whiners act like you think you're supposed to have a constitutional guarantee to cheap gas. If you don't like the price, don't buy it! That's the only thing that will change the price.

It amazes me that some of you think that we can take a globally-traded commodity with a relatively finite supply, mix it with rapidly increasing demand from emerging economies and selfish Americans, and still expect the price to remain the same. When the price goes up due to basic economics, you claim a big conspiracy and whine for big government to do something about it for you.

You whine to take money away from legal corporations to 'get even.' You whine because those corporations make a large profit. A profit made from giving you what you wanted - readily available gas. Gas that even today is cheaper than cokes, bottled water and Starbucks coffee. Gas that is made more expensive because it has to meet the environmental standards put in place by the liberal politicians that you whiners put in office.

I really wish there was a way for all of the whiners to be cut off from buying gas for a while. Not only would that make the price come down for me, it might teach some of you just what I said - that we are fortunate to have the opportunity to buy gas - even high-priced gas.

If you whiners have built your whole standard of living around cheap gas, looks like you screwed up. To quote the whiner's hero, Reverend Wright - your chickens have come home to roost. We all had the luxury of cheap gas for a long time - too long, probably.

Too long, because if we had been faced with four dollar gasoline ten years ago, we would have already made adjustments by this time. Adjustments in our consumption, as well as adjustments to supplies, that would have gone a long way toward correcting things. But....we didn't do that because we just took for granted that we would always have cheap gas - as if it was one of life's guarantees.

If you don't like the price, be proactive about a solution and don't f'ing buy it! There's plenty of people in China and India with their first car who are more than happy to take your share.


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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2008 8:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, let's go ahead with a windfall profits tax. Let's just go ahead and tax our own energy companies out of existence. We don't need them anyway. There's plenty of companies that want to drill in the Gulf. If you whining liberals don't like Exxon making a profit, maybe CNOOC would be more to your liking?

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CNOOC VP: Mulls Entry into US Gulf of Mexico in Two Years
by Brian Baskin
Dow Jones Newswires 5/5/2008

HOUSTON , May 05, 2008 (Dow Jones Newswires)

China National Offshore Oil Corp. (CEO) is looking for ways to acquire oil and gas assets in the U.S. Gulf of Mexico "in two years," a top company executive said Monday.

CNOOC, which is controlled by the Chinese government, is "looking for opportunities," Zhou Shouwei, a CNOOC vice president, told Dow Jones Newswires on the sidelines of an energy trade show.

CNOOC was most likely to make a foray into the Gulf of Mexico by buying exploration rights in federal waters in a government lease sale, Shouwei said. CNOOC would most likely look for a partner, a common practice in the industry for acquiring fields in deeper water, which are more expensive to develop.

Many foreign companies operate in the Gulf, with Asian firms in particular increasing their presence in recent years.

No Chinese company currently owns reserves in the U.S., however, and CNOOC's last bid to enter the country, its 2005 attempted acquisition of Unocal, was withdrawn under intense political pressure from the U.S. Congress.

Oil companies from nations that are net energy consumers, such as Japan and South Korea, have turned to the U.S., and the Gulf of Mexico in particular, to provide stable production to balance riskier activities abroad.

Analysts say Chinese companies remain interested in buying assets in the U.S., though on a small scale in order to avoid a repeat of the failed Unocal deal.

Copyright (c) 2008 Dow Jones & Company, Inc.



http://www.rigzone.com/news/article.asp?a_id=61493


aplusmnt wrote:
Countries like China are trying to make back room deals and grab up all the oil they can because the demand to supply ratio is dropping every year.


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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2008 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oldtimer wrote:
Texan wrote:
You whining ass liberals beat all I ever saw. I'm grateful for the opportunity to buy gasoline at four bucks. Beats the hell out of walking and plowing with mules. Gas was underpriced for WAY too long and nobody cared then.

As long as selfish Americans could drive what they wanted and go everywhere they wanted to go, they were all too happy to burn gas like they stole it - which they effectively did. Now it's time to pay the fiddler.

ExxonMobil has averaged paying $27,000,000,000 in taxes over the last three years. Twenty seven f'ing BILLION dollars. But that's not enough for some of you whiners, is it?


The question being asked around here is-- where is the $3 calves Say what?

Thats about what it would take to bring ranching income back up to comparable with 3-4 years ago before inflation/oil profiteering hit- and we were only getting $1...


Water used to be free at all the filling station water fountains. Now a pint will cost you $1.29. That's over $10 a gallon. Shame on Evian for making profits like that. Calves should be at $200 per cwt.


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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2008 12:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You whine to take money away from legal corporations to 'get even.' You whine because those corporations make a large profit.


Funny (in a sad way) is they whine and blame Bush when jobs leave America or a company fails and has to fire all its employee's. Then they Whine when a company is a success and provides jobs for Americans.

No pleasing the Whiners.


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