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PORKER Rancher

Joined: 02 Mar 2005 Posts: 3517 Location: Michigan-Florida
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Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2008 8:03 am Post subject: Global warming over |
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On the internet is www.spaceweather.com, where you will find a real-time image of the sun from the Solar and Heliospheric Observatory, located in deep space at the equilibrium point between solar and terrestrial gravity.
What is scary about the picture is that there is only one tiny sunspot.
Disconcerting as it may be to true believers in global warming, the average temperature on Earth has remained steady or slowly declined during the past decade, despite the continued increase in the atmospheric concentration of carbon dioxide, and now the global temperature is falling precipitously.
All four agencies that track Earth's temperature (the Hadley Climate Research Unit in Britain, the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York, the Christy group at the University of Alabama, and Remote Sensing Systems Inc in California) report that it cooled by about 0.7C in 2007. This is the fastest temperature change in the instrumental record and it puts us back where we were in 1930 for temps.
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cowzilla Member

Joined: 27 Sep 2005 Posts: 347 Location: east of kato
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Shaft Member

Joined: 14 Feb 2008 Posts: 94 Location: The Big Smoke
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Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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And black is white, up is down and gravity is the force that keeps us airborne.
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GISS Surface Temperature Analysis
Global Temperature Trends: 2007 Summation
The year 2007 tied for second warmest in the period of instrumental data, behind the record warmth of 2005, in the Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) analysis. 2007 tied 1998, which had leapt a remarkable 0.2°C above the prior record with the help of the "El Niņo of the century". The unusual warmth in 2007 is noteworthy because it occurs at a time when solar irradiance is at a minimum and the equatorial Pacific Ocean is in the cool phase of its natural El Niņo-La Niņa cycle. |
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2007/
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PORKER Rancher

Joined: 02 Mar 2005 Posts: 3517 Location: Michigan-Florida
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Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 1:58 pm Post subject: Debatable Timing |
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Niņa cooling in the second half of 2007 (Figure 2) is about as intense as the regional cooling associated with any La Niņa of the past half century, as shown by comparison to Plate 9 in Hansen et al. (Hansen et al. 1999) and updates to Plate 9 on the GISS web site. Effect of the current La Niņa on global surface temperature is likely to continue for at least the first several months of 2008.
June will be 12 months of cooling unless the sunspots come back real soon.
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Shaft Member

Joined: 14 Feb 2008 Posts: 94 Location: The Big Smoke
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Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 2:22 pm Post subject: |
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The greatest warming in 2007 occurred in the Arctic, and neighboring high latitude regions. Global warming has a larger affect in polar areas, as the loss of snow and ice leads to more open water, which absorbs more sunlight and warmth. Snow and ice reflect sunlight; when they disappear, so too does their ability to deflect warming rays. The large Arctic warm anomaly of 2007 is consistent with observations of record low geographic extent of Arctic sea ice in September 2007.
"As we predicted last year, 2007 was warmer than 2006, continuing the strong warming trend of the past 30 years that has been confidently attributed to the effect of increasing human-made greenhouse gases," said James Hansen, director of NASA GISS. |
http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/news/20080116/
You could try to do comparisons between plate 9 in Hansen et al 1999, etc. You could. Or you could simply pay attention to what Dr. Hansen himself has to say.
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Oldtimer Rancher

Joined: 10 Feb 2005 Posts: 15740 Location: Northeast Montana
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RobertMac Rancher

Joined: 10 Feb 2005 Posts: 2510 Location: Mississippi, USA
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Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Shaft, what is the correct temperature of Earth?
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Shaft Member

Joined: 14 Feb 2008 Posts: 94 Location: The Big Smoke
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Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 8:37 am Post subject: |
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| That all depends upon your point of reference, now doesn't it. Personally I prefer about 78 degrees Fahrenheit, sunny with some cloudy periods and a light breeze.
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Shaft Member

Joined: 14 Feb 2008 Posts: 94 Location: The Big Smoke
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Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 9:25 am Post subject: |
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RobertMac,
If you really want informed answers to questions about global warming, I suggest you contact:
Dr. James E. Hansen
National Aeronautics and Space Administration
NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies
2880 Broadway
New York, NY 10025 USA
E-mail: James.E.Hansen@nasa.gov
Phone: (212) 678-5500
He knows something about it.
http://www.giss.nasa.gov/staff/jhansen.html
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RobertMac Rancher

Joined: 10 Feb 2005 Posts: 2510 Location: Mississippi, USA
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Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 11:49 am Post subject: |
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Shaft, I have no doubt about climate change...it has happened since the beginning of the planet. The problem I have is that some of mankind has become arrogant enough to believe humans can control that change.
Why would that group want to promote such an idea??????? Power?????
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Shaft Member

Joined: 14 Feb 2008 Posts: 94 Location: The Big Smoke
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Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 2:14 pm Post subject: |
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RobertMac, the word is 'affect' global climate change rather than 'control'.
Eating the fruit from the Tree of Knowledge caused Adam and Eve to be expelled from the Garden of Eden. Cause and effect. God was in control. Still is. Make no mistake. Problem is that we haven't learned anything.
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RobertMac Rancher

Joined: 10 Feb 2005 Posts: 2510 Location: Mississippi, USA
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Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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OK, is this better?
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Shaft, I have no doubt about climate change...it has happened since the beginning of the planet. The problem I have is that some of mankind has become arrogant enough to believe humans can 'affect' global climate change to a meaningful degree.
Why would that group want to promote such an idea??????? Power????? |
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