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Mrs.Greg
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| Education isn't worth 15cents to me. If you know something , I'll pay you but just because you've been to the class doesn't mean you know anything. If I was getting a set of heifers bred for example, I don't want the person with a diploma, I want the man that knows what a cervix feels like and can manipulate the gun. Someone running a dozer, I don't want the vo-tech paper, I want a man that can keep the blade doing the right thing. I don't want the person who's been to cooking school, I want the woman that can sling hash out of what's in the refrigerator. Some things are teachable but not many. It usually takes a hand on the plow. |
Yes sweetie but what about Dr.s Nurses,teachers...don't you want them to be educated enough and more to deal with your family?? Theres things people HAVE to have education for.I also believe these people your talking about have educated themselves to be the best man for the job you want done.
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Red Robin
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Location: 8 mi S.E. of Harrison, Ar.
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| Hmmm. I dare to say you are wrong because I know generally that you're right. We have a midwife that has delivered babies for us that is way , way brighter than a Dr. though. She is very specialized I realize. My point is that because you have an education, doesn't prove to me that you know anything. By education I am meaning formal education but there are also those that have hands on experience that still don't know anything. I know lots of cattlemen that after many years in the business still can't pic a good bull from a sorry one. Just because you are educated or trained doesn't make you know anything. Dr.s are a prime example. I know a bunch of them and have a few for friends yet there are only one or two I trust. Generally a good nurse knows more than most Dr.s because they are actually around the patients longer and get a feel for them. Too many professionals in any field rely on the sheepskin as their claim to fame. I say prove you know something and I'll pay. By the word you in the above statement I don't mean you personally Mrs. Greg.
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Mrs.Greg
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| Yes and I guess I didn't make my self clear enough either...I don't nessasarly think just because one went to higher education that they are better educated then those that didn't,reading,watching others,doing,even making mistakes all educates people.
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the_jersey_lilly_2000
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Jinglebob
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Location: Western South Dakota
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| A wise woman once said, "College doesn't make you any smarter, it just gives you more opportunities."
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Judith
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Jinglebob
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greg
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Location: Alberta Canada
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I am all for education. But I think the education system in this country is in a mess.
Around here, the best education comes through the parochial school systems, seems like. But they have an advantage, they MAKE the parents stay involved! 
As for continuing ed, if you quit learning, you might as well roll over and die.
Read, read, read and then read some more. Second best way to learn.
Why do people not realize that there are library's and the internet and that there is a lot of info about everything out there and all they need to do is check it out? 
I am radical. I think the best way to learn is "hands on" with a mentor. After all, it's the cowboy way.  |
Totally agree-but why then when I am sittin' on fence givin' orders to pups(kids) while branding etc. ,the wife calls me bossy and lazy? Just schoolin' the pup's I say.
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Jinglebob
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| Jinglebob wrote: |
I am all for education. But I think the education system in this country is in a mess.
Around here, the best education comes through the parochial school systems, seems like. But they have an advantage, they MAKE the parents stay involved!
As for continuing ed, if you quit learning, you might as well roll over and die.
Read, read, read and then read some more. Second best way to learn.
Why do people not realize that there are library's and the internet and that there is a lot of info about everything out there and all they need to do is check it out?
I am radical. I think the best way to learn is "hands on" with a mentor. After all, it's the cowboy way. |
Totally agree-but why then when I am sittin' on fence givin' orders to pups(kids) while branding etc. ,the wife calls me bossy and lazy? Just schoolin' the pup's I say. |
Just ignore her Greg. By golly I'll bet thats the way you learned. I know it was the way I learned. Just a "passing on of knowledge" from one generation to the next. 
'Course, some seem to be better at it than others.
Truthfully, lots of the important stuff I learned in life, I learned from my parents. They are after all, the first and best teachers.
I learned a lot from many older people and am still learning a lot from younger people.
Some of it I wish I hadn't learned tho'! 
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katrina
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Mrs.Greg
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Location: Alberta
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| Posted: Sun Jun 03, 2007 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Jinglebob wrote: |
I am all for education. But I think the education system in this country is in a mess.
Around here, the best education comes through the parochial school systems, seems like. But they have an advantage, they MAKE the parents stay involved!
As for continuing ed, if you quit learning, you might as well roll over and die.
Read, read, read and then read some more. Second best way to learn.
Why do people not realize that there are library's and the internet and that there is a lot of info about everything out there and all they need to do is check it out?
I am radical. I think the best way to learn is "hands on" with a mentor. After all, it's the cowboy way. |
Totally agree-but why then when I am sittin' on fence givin' orders to pups(kids) while branding etc. ,the wife calls me bossy and lazy? Just schoolin' the pup's I say. |
Sweetie ...never really said you were lazy,just said you like playing boss a tad too much 
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CattleArmy
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| A wise woman once said, "College doesn't make you any smarter, it just gives you more opportunities." |
I like that quote.
In today's society in most journeys through the work force at one time or another some one with a degree will get a job before someone lacking one. I know this is not always the case as I know some men in the area that are sought after as employees when they aren't even looking for a job. Work ethic and not being afraid of a days hard work also in some jobs are very much the deciding factor. However, it seems to me the jobs with the most monatary benefits, health, and retirement in today's world want a degree to back the hiring. I'm all for education the more the better. Even if a child decides to return to a ranch operation it gives them another way to diversify and make money to help support or grow the operation or in the case they get home and it's not what they want they are capable of going on to an easier way of supporting themselves in life. Just my opinion.
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However you will be happy to know she did learn from her mistake, and now puts a sock on the end of a broom to clean webs 